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re: Ending Life Due To Medical Issues
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:03 am to Saints83
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:03 am to Saints83
In the end, suicide is overwhelmingly nature’s way of resolving agonizing mental health issues. It’s the out that is always there. As for moral considerations, there are obviously many gradations and one is not like the other ( on a non spiritual level). When great unendurable pain is part of the equation, that moral consideration changes imho. Some pain is probably not worth enduring. I pray for those in that category.
I hope that you strongly pursue counseling and learn to better cope with your suffering. I know you are suffering. Despite what the Quote Mob says, your life is sacred and worth fighting your very best for. Positive change is always just right around the corner.
I hope that you strongly pursue counseling and learn to better cope with your suffering. I know you are suffering. Despite what the Quote Mob says, your life is sacred and worth fighting your very best for. Positive change is always just right around the corner.
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Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:04 am to LSURussian
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You're considering suicide as your best long-term option because you have high blood pressure and your butt hurts?!?
Its like divorcing your wife because you accidentally saw her taking a shite.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:04 am to OWLFAN86
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find a law Stateside that says a person that commits suicide will be charged
Again I would argue it's illegal until someone can go to a doctor/therapist/psychiatrist, be honest about what they're feeling and not have to risk being incarcerated against their will. The reality is there is still too much of a stigma against people suffering from mental health and regular health issues.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:05 am to northshorebamaman
quote:I usually don't pay that much attention to these types of threads. I always just assume it's a bad case of attention whoring.
it blows my mind that no one else seems to notice that he starts these threads over and over.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:07 am to LSURussian
Do you all not at least agree though that someone ending their life over legitimate Medical Issues that cause decreased Quality of Life is different than someone who ends their life due to Mental Health Issues or other traumas that could potentially cloud their judgement?
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:09 am to Saints83
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Do you all not at least agree though that someone ending their life over legitimate Medical Issues that cause decreased Quality of Life is different than someone who ends their life due to Mental Health Issues or other traumas that could potentially cloud their judgement?
So you can't travel now because coronavirus has flipped your world upside down. Welcome to the party pal. You think you're the only one suffering right now? Look around. shite isn't good worldwide.
You need a major perspective change dude.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:12 am to Saints83
You’re putting yourself in the same category as someone who is bed ridden bc you have high blood pressure and bloody poop?
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:12 am to Saints83
A friend of my sister's did that not too long ago. He had an inoperable brain tumor and was wasting away, so he decided on an assisted suicide to end his suffering.
He lived in Canada, so I don't know what the restrictions are there, but I know it's much harder to find states in the US where it is legal. I think Oregon is one of them but there aren't many.
For the record, I would at least consider it if I were terminally ill. I hope to God I never have to make that decision, but if I"m going to die anyway, I want to decide how I go out.
He lived in Canada, so I don't know what the restrictions are there, but I know it's much harder to find states in the US where it is legal. I think Oregon is one of them but there aren't many.
For the record, I would at least consider it if I were terminally ill. I hope to God I never have to make that decision, but if I"m going to die anyway, I want to decide how I go out.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:12 am to Saints83
quote:we know. from one of your multiple other threads on this:
The thing that gets me is flying. I am honestly concerned that anytime I fly could be the next time I suffocate on a plane and die. I still remember in 2018 when I was on a flight, my throat dried out, I got panicky and started having trouble breathing. Calmed down after a few minutes but for a few minutes there I thought I would have to get a flight attendant to see if there was a doctor on board. The doctors I've talked to about it think I suffered an anxiety attack which caused the asthma to flare up. Gave me 0.25mg of Xanax and 50mg Prednisone to take before flying. Every flight past that still worries me though.
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While none of these medical issues by themselves are disabling, together they just attack me from all angles. My body at 36 has already betrayed me.
But no it gets worse. 2 1/2 years ago my Asthma acted up on a flight. I thought for about 10 minutes that I was going to die or have to ask if there was a doctor on board. I've never been so happy to get off a flight in my life. In hindsight I like having the air vent on a plane blowing right in my face which my main doctor thinks caused my throat to dry out. That then caused me to get anxious which then activated my Asthma. All my doctor did was tell me to take a 50mg Prednisone tablet and a 0.25mg Xanax tablet before flying.
here is another thread under yet another alter about the same thing:
LINK
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:13 am to tiggerthetooth
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So you can't travel now because coronavirus has flipped your world upside down. Welcome to the party pal. You think you're the only one suffering right now? Look around. shite isn't good worldwide.
You need a major perspective change dude.
You misunderstood me. I've actually done a few fun road trips since Covid-19 started. Traveled as much this year (at least domestically) as I ever have.
No I can't travel because I could get on a plane and with my previous experience could potentially die. I've tried going to several different doctors and no one would take it seriously, said it was mental. I even offered an all expense paid weekend trip just so he would fly to/from with me and could see what's going on with my body when I fly and how to fix it. It's become incredibly frustrating.
Covid-19 is just going to make it that much worse because of having to wear a mask the whole flight and everyone giving me the stink eye if I cough even once.
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 11:14 am
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:14 am to Saints83
quote:If you think killing yourself is the best solution to your horrible quality of life issues caused by hemorrhoids, then, yeah, your judgement is definitely clouded.
Do you all not at least agree though that someone ending their life over legitimate Medical Issues that cause decreased Quality of Life is different than someone who ends their life due to Mental Health Issues or other traumas that could potentially cloud their judgement?
Steve Gleason has quality of life issues, not YOU.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:14 am to Saints83
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I've tried going to several different doctors and no one would take it seriously, said it was mental.
I agree with the multiple doctors. You're convincing yourself its something else.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:16 am to Saints83
This area is a lot more difficult and nuanced than the type my thread was about - which was more along the lines of clearly a person would be dying soon and so they choose to end on their own terms instead of having months in pain, not enjoying life, burning through their entire life savings on in home hospice that a person may have liked to give to their children if possible, etc.
My gut and the purely reasonable and logical part of my mind says that yes, any person should be allowed to make that decision but as a society we need to protect that person from rash, short decisions that result in a suicide by someone who may not have made the decision if they were able to get through a period of struggle.
I think you should do something where you sort of classify it and have different benchmarks for each:
(A) is people who have a terminal, painful illness and just don't want the pain of the final months, etc. - and this benchmark is essentially just them being of sound enough mind to understand and make the decision to end it.
(B) would be people who have a painful illness that really hurts quality of life but isn't terminal. I find it difficult to think of what sort of benchmarks they should have, I think one of those should be time, almost like a waiting period while seeing a psychologist or whatever. Honestly, I think someone in this situation should have this option, it makes sense to me but i am still very hesitant on how to make it work correctly though.
And since we went there we also technically should think about
(C) someone simply suffering some mental type ailments, PTSD, past trauma, etc. To me, a person suffering from long term, crippling depression or whatever where they have very few good days and just don't want to go on should have that option theoretically. This is the one that i don't see how we could craft appropriate checks and all to make it viable, but theoretically, I believe a person should have that option to just move on and see what is out there after this life if they so choose.
ETA: OP the above is not at all about your specific case and is just a thought experiment.
My gut and the purely reasonable and logical part of my mind says that yes, any person should be allowed to make that decision but as a society we need to protect that person from rash, short decisions that result in a suicide by someone who may not have made the decision if they were able to get through a period of struggle.
I think you should do something where you sort of classify it and have different benchmarks for each:
(A) is people who have a terminal, painful illness and just don't want the pain of the final months, etc. - and this benchmark is essentially just them being of sound enough mind to understand and make the decision to end it.
(B) would be people who have a painful illness that really hurts quality of life but isn't terminal. I find it difficult to think of what sort of benchmarks they should have, I think one of those should be time, almost like a waiting period while seeing a psychologist or whatever. Honestly, I think someone in this situation should have this option, it makes sense to me but i am still very hesitant on how to make it work correctly though.
And since we went there we also technically should think about
(C) someone simply suffering some mental type ailments, PTSD, past trauma, etc. To me, a person suffering from long term, crippling depression or whatever where they have very few good days and just don't want to go on should have that option theoretically. This is the one that i don't see how we could craft appropriate checks and all to make it viable, but theoretically, I believe a person should have that option to just move on and see what is out there after this life if they so choose.
ETA: OP the above is not at all about your specific case and is just a thought experiment.
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 11:19 am
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:17 am to L Boogie
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A friend of my sister's did that not too long ago. He had an inoperable brain tumor and was wasting away, so he decided on an assisted suicide to end his suffering.
He lived in Canada, so I don't know what the restrictions are there, but I know it's much harder to find states in the US where it is legal. I think Oregon is one of them but there aren't many.
For the record, I would at least consider it if I were terminally ill. I hope to God I never have to make that decision, but if I"m going to die anyway, I want to decide how I go out.
Great example and I'd love to see anyone justify why someone with an inoperable brain tumor who is going to die shouldn't be allowed to end it peacefully and painlessly on their terms.
He was just lucky he was in an area that believes in Death with Dignity instead of spending your last moments gasping for air in utter pain.
But think about this, if he was in most of the U.S. he wouldn't have had that option. Why should geographical and artificial borders play a role on if someone can be an adult and decide to end their life with dignity or not?
Thank you for sharing your story, I know it must have been an incredibly difficult situation.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:18 am to tiggerthetooth
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I agree with the multiple doctors. You're convincing yourself its something else.
Sure. The fact that for several minutes I felt like I was having trouble breathing on an airplane with no way out and no way to get help was purely my imagination.
Do you realize how silly that sounds?
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:20 am to Saints83
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Sure. The fact that for several minutes I felt like I was having trouble breathing on an airplane with no way out and no way to get help was purely my imagination.
It's called a panic attack which is triggered by the mental disorder known as "anxiety ".
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:21 am to Saints83
quote:all of this is purely your imagination, chris.
Sure. The fact that for several minutes I felt like I was having trouble breathing on an airplane with no way out and no way to get help was purely my imagination.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:22 am to Saints83
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Should society accept that a lot of people who commit suicide do it not out of selfishness or due to Mental Health Issues but simply to end the pain they suffer from due to Medical Issues?
Do you have data to support this claim?
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:22 am to East Coast Band
quote:Not bad advice.
You need to get out and volunteer somewhere.
It will give you a sense of self worth, plus you’ll help out someone in need.
Volunteer at a soup kitchen, an animal shelter, a school, anything
After working more than a decade in a huge hospital I can guarantee that no matter what any individuals situation is, there's always someone in worse conditions.
If you're feeling sorry for yourself, consider the 21 year old guy who due to deformities gets a full body x-ray every time Dr. orders a chest x-ray. His entire body head to toe fits on the image receptor that normally is just large enough for an adult chest. Yep, look down at your chest and imagine being 21 years old and so twisted and deformed you would be no larger than your own chest is now.
Next consider the nurses sister suffering terminal bone cancer that because of the nurse sister is not allowed to to be admitted to hospice and instead is subjected to literally every effort to continue her pain filled days awaiting death. Pain 24/7 like almost none of us can imagine and is prolonged by at least 6 months when the sufferer merely wants the pain to stop. Only death can relieve the pain not a chemical known to mankind can.
But hey, cheer up. I've seen worse than this too, on a near daily basis.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 11:25 am to Saints83
I've flown and nobody cares about a few coughs - honestly you have the 15% of melty mask nazis, 15% melty COVID is a complete hoax crowd and then us 70% in the middle knowing that a mask is a reasonable and imperfect idea and that not every cough is COVID and also that COVID is simply a risk of life like many others - you take what precautions you can and just live your life.
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