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re: Environmental impact of Christmas
Posted on 12/2/25 at 12:44 pm to Tigers13
Posted on 12/2/25 at 12:44 pm to Tigers13
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Paper bags have a much larger carbon footprint than plastic. More energy/water intense process to make. As long as plastic bags end up in the landfill, their impact is insignificant.
You can offset carbon, I'll take that over mass amounts of physical waste from plastic bags.
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Posted on 12/2/25 at 12:55 pm to weagle1999
What about the real trees that get put on the coastline every year to help with erosion...
Posted on 12/2/25 at 1:00 pm to RolltidePA
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You can offset carbon, I'll take that over mass amounts of physical waste from plastic bags.
But we're not. There's also concerns over water usage in water stressed areas. You take oil out of the ground and you put the plastic back into the ground. It shouldn't be hard to get plastic bags into a garbage can.....the problem isn't plastic bags....they're a better solution than paper bags.
Because the carrying capacity of a plastic and a paper bag are not the same, the study used the carrying capacity of 1,000 paper bags as its baseline and compared their impacts to the impacts of 1,500 plastic bags. The plastic bags used 14.9kg of fossil fuels for manufacturing compared to 23.2kg for paper bags. Plastic bags produced 7kg of municipal solid waste compared to 33.9kg for paper, and greenhouse gas emissions were equivalent to 0.04 tons of CO2 compared to paper’s 0.08 tons. Plastic bags used 58 gallons of fresh water, while paper used 1,004 gallons. Energy use totaled 763 megajoules for plastic, and 2,622 megajoules for paper.
As a result of the heavy use of toxic chemicals in the process, paper is responsible for 70 percent* more air pollution and 50 times more water pollution than plastic bag production according to a Washington Post analysis, resulting in more toxicity to humans and the environment than HDPE bags. And while 66 percent of paper and paperboard are recycled, the recycling process requires additional chemicals to remove the ink and return the paper to pulp, which can add to paper’s environmental impact.
Not trying to win an argument; just trying to correct a popular misconception. Next, I'll explain why letting Muslims into the country is a bad idea...stay tuned
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 12/2/25 at 1:05 pm to Tigers13
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Not trying to win an argument; just trying to correct a popular misconception. Next, I'll explain why letting Muslims into the country is a bad idea...stay tuned
Hey, appreciate the actual data. No point going deep on the second part, you'd just be preaching to the converted.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 1:39 pm to weagle1999
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Glitter: Shredded ‘micro’ plastic that gets everywhere and will be on earth longer than our headstones
Fake garland / wreathes / trees: More plastic. Too many of the green plastic needles end up in our storm drains and then waterways
Packaging: The staggering amount of product / gift packaging that ends up almost directly in a landfill
Real Christmas trees: The amount of microplastics put into the soil and waterways from hauling them around
You need a burn pile/barrel in your back yard.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 1:42 pm to weagle1999
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Much of the time I wish I didn’t notice things like this.
And probably all of the time everyone else wished you didn't notice things like this and then feel compelled to post about them.
Posted on 12/2/25 at 3:16 pm to MemphisGuy
I dunno, this is exactly the type of thread I would make 
Gifting
Gifting
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 12/2/25 at 3:48 pm to weagle1999
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I dunno, this is exactly the type of thread I would make
Well, to be fair, gifting IS a stupid sounding made up word. "We'll be gifting such and such". Just pretentious as all get out.
Gift is a noun. GIVE is a verb. You GIVE gifts. You don't gift gifts. You give them. The act of handing a gift to another at Christmas or whatever is giving it to them. Not gifting it to them. Besides... people who gift other people things rather than give them things probably use WAY more wrapping paper and bows than is necessary.
This post was edited on 12/2/25 at 3:52 pm
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