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re: Favorite Founding Father?
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:20 am to The Spleen
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:20 am to The Spleen
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James Madison
Madison did some great things, but he was basically just a Jefferson disciple.
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Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:24 am to LarryByrd
Jefferson
Monticello is a great tour if you get a chance:
Monticello is a great tour if you get a chance:
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:29 am to LarryByrd
And his most famous descendant.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:31 am to High C
quote:
quote: James Madison
quote:i know we have some US History heavy hitters in the OT. What’s Madison’s story. He’s officially a Founding Father. But not much said about him. Was he just Thomas Jefferson’s sidekick? Gotta be more to it than that.
Madison did some great things, but he was basically just a Jefferson disciple.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:31 am to LarryByrd
Thomas Jefferson (super easy)
TJ’s philosophies are America’s founding principles of small government and states rights, governing best on the local level than the national. His thoughts on the right to self government and the right of the people to choose that for THEMSELVES and not by autocratic rulers is what framed this very country, and our rebellion is justified as a result of that. We are natural rebels at heart because of TJ.
TJ’s philosophies are America’s founding principles of small government and states rights, governing best on the local level than the national. His thoughts on the right to self government and the right of the people to choose that for THEMSELVES and not by autocratic rulers is what framed this very country, and our rebellion is justified as a result of that. We are natural rebels at heart because of TJ.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:33 am to LarryByrd
George Washington - he never told a lie
And was a red head.
Pretty humble, but tough, too.
And was a red head.
Pretty humble, but tough, too.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:35 am to LarryByrd
George Washington baw.. he took some bateaus across a river Christmas night and killed mofos in their sleep.
GOAT founding baw
GOAT founding baw
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:37 am to Mike da Tigah
quote:
We are natural rebels at heart because of TJ.
I would say a good 65-75% of this country does not fit that statement
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:40 am to BamaCoaster
quote:How is Paine not a Founding Founder ? Because he was not one of your revered politicians?
Thomas Paine
Not a founding father, but common sense is a treasure.
" You, Thomas Paine , are more responsible than any other living person on this continent for the creation of what are called the United States of America "- Ben Franklin
Paine was a Founder who pointed out the hypocrisy of the slaveowning Founders & their views on Africans. Also not a big fan of Christianity.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:45 am to jamboybarry
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I would say a good 65-75% of this country does not fit that statement
Not anymore. You’re right, and it’s more recognizing TJ and the rest of our founding fathers in name only, rather than embodying or even identifying with their principles in the slightest. I think most are oblivious to what our founding fathers believed in. Some are grateful for the sacrifice, but have no earthly idea what made them and our founding so very special. Still others are absolute enemies of everything they stood for and embody what they were against, and so the 4th of July must be a really awkward time for them if they ever contemplate on who they are and what America is founded upon.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:53 am to jaytothen
George Washington. Essentially came out of retirement to lead the Continental Army.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:54 am to TDFreak
quote:
What’s Madison’s story
He helped draft the federalist papers. He was very much in the frick England camp. He was a close advisor of GW and was a homeboy of TJ. He’s a baw for sure!
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:55 am to FredBear
quote:So we agree that the Founders weren't much better than humans than the Barbary Pirates when it comes to peddling flesh. Despite the remarkable document ( Constitution) some of them drafted.
More White people were sold into slavery to the Barbary coast than black people sold to America
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:01 am to Mike da Tigah
I’d like to also give a shout out to Patrick Henry, perhaps the greatest of all orators on everything this country was founded upon. If TJ was our written voice and conscience, then Patrick Henry was the John the Baptist of the time, feasting upon wild honey and locusts in the desert and preaching the sermon of freedom to all who would hear him.
We are all familiar with “give me liberty or give me death” but you really need to read the entirety of his speeches to get a real appreciation of what a PATRIOT Patrick Henry was. A fire breathing zealot for freedom and liberty is what he was.
We are all familiar with “give me liberty or give me death” but you really need to read the entirety of his speeches to get a real appreciation of what a PATRIOT Patrick Henry was. A fire breathing zealot for freedom and liberty is what he was.
quote:
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
This post was edited on 7/3/21 at 11:03 am
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:02 am to sugar71
quote:
sugar71
No, I agree that other poster was being an a-hole for dragging that bullshite into this thread so I decided to return the favor. Draw your own conclusions about the founding fathers, I will always respect them and what they did myself
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:10 am to LarryByrd
Captain John Parker at Lexington
(without this man there would have been no George
Washington or Jefferson)
(without this man there would have been no George
Washington or Jefferson)
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:11 am to LarryByrd
Lee
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:12 am to Rebel
quote:
Lee
Light Horse Henry?
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:13 am to FredBear
quote:
I will always respect them and what they did myself
Sugar is a commie. He's indoctrinated to hate all things involved in Western culture.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:16 am to LarryByrd
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