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re: FDA Grants Full Approval for Vaccine
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:15 pm to lsu777
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:15 pm to lsu777
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.they don't have the constitutional right to interfere imo. And I do not support it at all.
Yet HR departments only exist because they do interfere and have gotten progressively worse.
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Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:17 pm to winkchance
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I was hoping novavax would come along quicker.
I get that. Subsequent vaccines are likely to be incrementally slower going through the process because they are looking for subjects in a dwindling pool of people willing to take any vax and certainly a trial. There is almost no question they will have far less subject data when deployed than any of the current 3 since it is unlikely they get EUA here.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:18 pm to stout
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Yet HR departments only exist because they do interfere and have gotten progressively worse.
I agree, I'm fighting to stop it from happening again.
.just because it happened in the past doesn't mean we shouldn't try snd fight it each time.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:22 pm to lsu777
I could have a much larger local company. I can name some names of people I deal with or have in the past in LC and you would know every one of them. I choose to fly under the radar and also to focus on the foreclosure side of my business for the very reason that at some point I make more or less the same as if I was to double in size due to the regulations, HR, etc.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:25 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Either way, Jacobson v Massachusetts supports compulsory vaccinations and has been challenged several times without fail.
Lol
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:25 pm to stout
Don't blame you one bit. I despise regulation and HR departments in general.
Ftr I don't support employee mandates but I do support their right to do so and fricking despise people that don't feel a private business has that right.
Ftr I don't support employee mandates but I do support their right to do so and fricking despise people that don't feel a private business has that right.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:26 pm to ell_13
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Mandates and Vax/ID checks are not constitutional.
Vaccine mandates have long been held legal and constitutional subject to certain exclusions. The court will not touch that, not only have they already signalled it but if they rule mandates are unconstitutional then they can not be required for school. You think any SCOTUS will touch that. I don't think you could pick a fantasy court from all of the justices in the last 100 years and get to 5-4.
Vax passports are a different animal. They could go either way, but if they rule on them it will likely be shadow docket.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:31 pm to Obtuse1
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There is almost no question they will have far less subject data when deployed than any of the current 3 since it is unlikely they get EUA here.
I know you have pointed this out on several other threads, but no reason to equivocate with the almost. The data set for Pfizer and moderna is about a billion strong at this point with initial shots being administered over a year ago.
Wonderful day. Hopefully authorization for 5-12 year olds is incoming.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:31 pm to tigerskin
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If you are hung up on the mRNA, maybe the J&J would appeal to you more
If he learns enough that becomes tenious. J&J uses an attenuated adenovirus to deliver the instructions to your immune system and actually enters inside your cells and otherwise works in a very similar way.
But again the virus itself goes into the cell where the mRNA vaccine components can't. The whole gene therapy scabling your DNA screed is laughable when you consider the virus itself goes into the cell when the mRNA vaccine can't. This is a situation when it is actually a feature and not a bug.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:41 pm to Salmon
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these will probably turn into an annual thing, like the flu shot, with the way it mutates and our vaccination rates
The trajectory with any respiratory RNA virus is to move from pandemic to endemic. The Spanish flu family tree didn't end it is the pater families for the modern Influenza A strains.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:45 pm to SirWinston
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So that means that Novavax will have to go through the more stringent full approval process to even get their version available to the masses.
so evil
Honest question. Will you sign up for the trials to help populate the studies?
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:53 pm to SDVTiger
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But there wasn't any flu last year
First, there was but it was a mild year. Two things almost certainly contributed:
1. a lot of people were actually taking precautions to reduce catching/passing respiratory viruses. A lot of schools were shut down and they are huge influenza incubators. All the work from home, lack of in person dining etc etc If that didn't slow down the flu it would have been amazing.
2. viral interference is also quit likely
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:54 pm to BigPapiDoesItAgain
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The gold mine is going to be something that stimulates a neutralizing mucosal antibody (IgA) that can be produced in high enough quantities at the points of entry for the virus (particularly the nasopharynx). For now best way to overcome this is to have as many folks with some immunity (yes that includes persons with past infection) as possible versus persons that are immunologically naïve to this virus.
Glad someone else started singing that tune around here.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:55 pm to Obtuse1
It didn’t help that some PCR tests couldn’t distinguish between flu and Covid
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:04 pm to Farseeruler
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Then it would be pointless to give a booster without reformulating the vaccines to give more protection to Delta.
No the immune response is still pretty sticky (looks good for Lamda as well) a booster should indeed help, especially with the vaccinated that are 7-8 months out. Keep in mind the approval for a booster would be fairly quick. When you loose a significant amount of stickiness then you need to consider a new set of instructions but that starts the trial process over though it will be quick to formulate the vaccine.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:05 pm to HollierThanThou
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Does this mean they (vaccine mfg) can now be sued for side effects/negative reactions?
no. You basically sue the government in a kangaroo vaccine courtPosted on 8/23/21 at 1:07 pm to Duke
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I never said that. I said if you came to the conclusion its less risk to be not vaccinated, you did something wrong.
I didn't specifically say that the vaccine risk was higher, the numbers were actually pretty close but the virus risk was higher. However, it was so astronomically small that for now, my sentiment is that I'm good without it for now. 70/30 is my lean toward no vaccine right now. I don't have flood insurance either because I live on top of a hill. Same thing, not all of us are delusional or in denial about our "flood risk", though far too many are.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:09 pm to lsu777
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Salmon has had lingering respiratory issues and has chronicled them on the H&F board since the beginning. And for people that workout and run like he does the flu doesn't do that.
I've talked about my wife's struggle to get back to her pre-Covid FTP. It dropped 20% from a mild case and she just got back to even after a little over a year.
Hers was purely high-level aerobic ability that was cut. No brain fog or any of the other symptoms. She as well as some of her colleagues wonder of this is more of an issue but a lot of people never try to produce that level of exertion for long periods of time.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:09 pm to GreenRockTiger
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Lol
I’m not sure why you’re laughing at that. Vaccines mandates for school attendance has been robustly challenged. Jacobson v Massachusetts has upheld that standard essentially on the basis of states rights and public safety.
This isn’t something new.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:17 pm to Obtuse1
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Vaccine mandates have long been held legal and constitutional subject to certain exclusions.
Fun fact: LSU already requires several vaccines for incoming students. Now that the FDA has approved Pfizer, they're out of excuses. Time for a campus-wide mandate for any and all students, faculty, and staff, IMO.
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