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re: Flight from Jakarta Crashes into the Ocean
Posted on 10/28/18 at 11:10 pm to stout
Posted on 10/28/18 at 11:10 pm to stout
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90% of the time isn't it usually found to be pilot error? They panic in an emergency or something crazy.
Airplane manufacturers love to push this narrative.
Much more commercial aircraft have crashed due to issues with the aircraft than pilot error.
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Posted on 10/28/18 at 11:10 pm to RedFoxx
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looks like the aircraft lost airspeed, then gained it (with the loss of altitude
Couldn't that be a stall? Pointing the nose down and increase airspeed to recover?
Posted on 10/28/18 at 11:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Couldn't that be a stall? Pointing the nose down and increase airspeed to recover?
Very well could be and they just didn't have enough altitude to recover.
Posted on 10/28/18 at 11:18 pm to Michael T. Tiger
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Indonesia’s finance ministry says 20 officials were on board the Lion Air flight when it crashed.
Spokesman Nufransa Wira Sakti confirmed the number, as reported by Bloomberg.
This post was edited on 10/28/18 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 10/28/18 at 11:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The plane serving Lion Air flight JT 610 was configured to seat 189 passengers, said aviation consultant Gerry Soejatman. He told the BBC the MAX 8 had been experiencing problems since it was introduced, including difficulties maintaining a level flight.
BBC News
Posted on 10/28/18 at 11:59 pm to Michael T. Tiger
Western Airlines have all but perfected air travel. Asia has a lot of catching up to do. That’s like 5 major Asian crashes in the last 5 years.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 12:07 am to RedFoxx
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He told the BBC the MAX 8 had been experiencing problems since it was introduced, including difficulties maintaining a level flight.
This one or the model in general?
Boeing may be in trouble.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 12:19 am to The Boat
Korean Air, All Nippon, Cathay, Japan Air, Singapore Air, etc... are all orders of magnitude better than any American airliner.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 1:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Couldn't that be a stall?
Stall speed has a lot of variables so it’s very difficult to say for sure.....but it’s a tough sell to suggest a stall at speeds greater than 200 knots.
Given I feel something would have leaked by now:
That flight profile + no Mayday call = 90% suicide run. Interesting question is if the copilot was complicit or murdered.
EDIT: assuming that narrative, it looks like a fight at the wheel with the ping pong in altitude with no drop in airspeed (that is a possible maneuver if they were trying to restart engines). But no speed drop on upswing implies they had power.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 1:30 am
Posted on 10/29/18 at 1:31 am to Volvagia
According to reports the pilots radioed asking to return to the airport, that would seem to indicate a mechanical issue.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 1:31 am to Volvagia
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That flight profile + no Mayday call = 90% suicide run. Interesting question is if the copilot was complicit or murdered
The pilots requested a return to Jakarta.
Saying this was on purpose/planned is conjecture at this point.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 1:33 am to Armchair_QB
Yeah.. didn’t see that report.
So yeah, throw that scenario out.
So yeah, throw that scenario out.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 1:39 am to Cold Drink
Prior flights show them reaching that altitude after only a few minutes. They should’ve been around 20,000 ft at 10 min. Speed a little low and erratic. Altitude should be smooth line up to 25,000 ft. Must be a coincidence that it plunged at the turn. Engine trouble or fuel contamination?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 7:21 am to RedFoxx
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Much more commercial aircraft have crashed due to issues with the aircraft than pilot error.
Vast majority of accidents are pilot error. Yes a lot of times there may be a minor mechanical malfunction that the pilot misinterprets or does not execute the proper procedure. They crash due to the pilots’ error and not necessarily the mechanical issue. Additionally, the NTSB has proven most accidents are a result of a chain (normally around 7) things/incidents during the flight that the pilots messed up on/with.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 7:22 am
Posted on 10/29/18 at 7:26 am to WestSideTiger
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Prior flights show them reaching that altitude after only a few minutes. They should’ve been around 20,000 ft at 10 min. Speed a little low and erratic.
Yeah, this is what I was wondering. Seems they should have been above 10,000 at least by that time.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 7:29 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
20 Indonesia finance officials on board?
Leicester City's owner and some other high dollar Thais die in a weird helicopter crash Sat night?
Odd coincidences.
Leicester City's owner and some other high dollar Thais die in a weird helicopter crash Sat night?
Odd coincidences.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 7:36 am to RedFoxx
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difficulties maintaining a level flight
Now that's the plane I want to be on.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 7:46 am to RedFoxx
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The pilots requested a return to Jakarta.
Saying this was on purpose/planned is conjecture at this point.
Both or just one? Possible that one pilot was going nuts and the other asked for a return?
Plane definitely took a good dip and then recovered. If it was a fuel or engine issue they should have been able to glide the plane down still right?
How many 1,000 feet does it normal take to recover from a stall? Why would a plane stall on the initial accent? If you were losing power would you not level off until it was returned?
Posted on 10/29/18 at 7:53 am to RedFoxx
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the MAX 8 had been experiencing problems since it was introduced, including difficulties maintaining a level flight.
Isn't this the plane that Southwest was planning on using for their new flights to Hawaii? If so, may have to rethink taking one for awhile.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 7:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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yeah I'm gonna say it's been blown up or put in the water on purpose.
Some of yall really go for the most extreme explanation so quickly.
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