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re: Flight from Jakarta Crashes into the Ocean
Posted on 10/29/18 at 3:53 pm to When in Rome
Posted on 10/29/18 at 3:53 pm to When in Rome
Hey Rome. This was the one I saw first. I haven't looked at the others. Sorry for the delay in response.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 4:06 pm
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Posted on 10/29/18 at 4:01 pm to Traveler
Thanks 
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:04 pm to baldona
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I'm not putting fault on anyone just trying to educate myself, but are things like this not conveyed to the next pilot the following morning?
Not if maintenance signed it off. If there is a write up that they can’t fix, they will reference a MEL and see if the aircraft can fly with the issue. If it can, the item will be deffered. Only then will the next crew know.
After Air France crash a few years ago, airlines, at least in the US, have unreliable pitch/airspeed memory items. Generally, a known pitch and power setting for each configuration.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:29 pm to RedFoxx
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With that logic you go back and say the same for Korean air and other carriers.
Not Korean Air.
They had so many crashes that Delta essentially took over their pilot training and dispatching department and did a major safety overhaul that brought them up to international standards. Post-Delta intervention they were deemed acceptable to be in the SkyTeam alliance.
I'd fly Korean Air today with no reservations.
New Standards Mean Korean Air Is Coming Off Many 'Shun' Lists (2002)
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:34 pm to hottub
You won’t get ice unless you are in visible moisture. Clouds, rain, fog etc. When you are in visible moisture, you turn the pitot tube heat on, even in the middle of the summer. That specifically prevents blocking of the pitot by ice. If they had time to realize that some instruments were wrong, they had time to open their iPads and turn on the display that gives a basic, but fairly reliable six-pack. It is based off gps data and accelerometers in the iPad, but it will get you out of a jam for sure. I’m guessing this was more than simple pitot tube icing.
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:48 pm to just1dawg
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Not Korean Air. They had so many crashes that Delta essentially took over their pilot training and dispatching department and did a major safety overhaul that brought them up to international standards. Post-Delta intervention they were deemed acceptable to be in the SkyTeam alliance. I'd fly Korean Air today with no reservations.
That's what I'm saying. Korean is a perfectly safe airline to fly on today despite their past safety record. Same with Garuda.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:26 am to Lsupimp
Honestly, this is just like automatically telling a veteran "thank you for your service". Automatic situational responses, whether you mean well or not, are worthless. They do not convey empathy. Empathy is not/cannot be conveyed through socially constructed, automated actions/reactions. I'm sorry to burst your bubble.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 9:41 am to latech15
Right, with Air France 447, the issue was supercooled water in a towering thunderstorm that didn’t turn to ice until it made contact with the pitot tubes and then clogged them, making their readings faulty. But in this case, I believe the weather was said to be clear and sunny. I wonder if something else could have clogged the tubes. Seems kind of unlikely. But experts have commented in the news that the erratic flight behavior points to a fault in the pitot-static system. I saw one report that said it could take up to a month for a preliminary report and up to a year for a full report on the black box findings.
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 9:45 am
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:27 am to When in Rome
So reading other places online and comparing the known altitude and speed (if accurate), it looks like what likely happened was:
1. autopilot encountered an error and thus the initial drops. Could be bad Pitot or static probe readings giving bad readings to the instruments and therefore autopilot and pilots
2. pilots take over and get the plane mostly under control but it takes some adjustments thus the small dips and climbs for a couple of minutes in the middle
3. something goes wrong again and the plane plunges
The biggest concern is that hopefully autopilot wasn't turned back on to cause the final decent? But that there was likely some sort of mechanical/ instrument issue causing initial issues?
1. autopilot encountered an error and thus the initial drops. Could be bad Pitot or static probe readings giving bad readings to the instruments and therefore autopilot and pilots
2. pilots take over and get the plane mostly under control but it takes some adjustments thus the small dips and climbs for a couple of minutes in the middle
3. something goes wrong again and the plane plunges
The biggest concern is that hopefully autopilot wasn't turned back on to cause the final decent? But that there was likely some sort of mechanical/ instrument issue causing initial issues?
Posted on 12/6/18 at 12:13 pm to Michael T. Tiger
The latest: Lion Air threatens to cancel $22 Billion Boeing plane order
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quote:
Lion Mentari Airlines’ owner threatened to cancel $22 billion in aircraft orders from Boeing, saying the planemaker’s response to an accident report for a recent deadly crash unfairly implicated his carrier. “I feel betrayed,” the Indonesian carrier’s co-founder, Rusdi Kirana, said by telephone Wednesday. “I’m preparing documents to propose cancellations. Everything is still under consideration now.”
LINK
Posted on 12/6/18 at 12:45 pm to just1dawg
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I'd fly Korean Air today with no reservations.
I'm sure you probably could, but I would still recommend a reservation.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 2:46 pm to Jim Rockford
interesting.
either going to get a deal from Boeing or a deal from AirBus depending on what the contracts say
however, I would agree that early reports on this deal just thrashed the airline when it turned out the airplane had a fairly serious defect
either going to get a deal from Boeing or a deal from AirBus depending on what the contracts say
however, I would agree that early reports on this deal just thrashed the airline when it turned out the airplane had a fairly serious defect
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