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re: George Harrison would have been 80 today......
Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:08 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:08 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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I'll give you George over John, but not Paul.
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Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:08 am to bountyhunter
While My Guitar Gently Weeps is a top 5 rock song IMHO.
Here Comes The Sun should also be up there. If you can ever find the instrumental version without the singing it gives you a whole new perspective on musicianship and songwriting. Just marvelous.
Here Comes The Sun should also be up there. If you can ever find the instrumental version without the singing it gives you a whole new perspective on musicianship and songwriting. Just marvelous.
This post was edited on 2/25/23 at 11:10 am
Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:11 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Should have cracked Yoko when he had a chance
Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:23 am to SteelerBravesDawg
Guess I’ll get stoned and have to listen to his greatness. Hope the kids on my bus like the tunage.
BTW, Paul is great, but he wrote all their lovey dovey drivel. John wrote the good stuff. Beatles transcended to their peak when drugs came in to play.
BTW, Paul is great, but he wrote all their lovey dovey drivel. John wrote the good stuff. Beatles transcended to their peak when drugs came in to play.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:41 am to KAHog
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Hope the kids on my bus like the tunage.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 11:51 am to CCT
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Hope the kids on my bus like the tunage.
Was kidding.
I drive a bus for deaf kids, they won’t hear it. All good.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 12:13 pm to wm72
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my favorite George Harrison song.
Isn't It a Pity?
Posted on 2/25/23 at 12:15 pm to KAHog
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Was kidding. I drive a bus for deaf kids, they won’t hear it. All good.
Phew. Well, I guess as long as you are stoned they shouldn't bother you too much.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 12:20 pm to KAHog
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Paul is great, but he wrote all their lovey dovey drivel.
Paul was a master at writing pop songs, but I wouldn’t describe songs like Get Back, Helter Skelter, or Sgt. Pepper as lovey dovey drivel.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 12:30 pm to Ghost of Colby
The Beatles are overrated. Ringo had the best songs.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 12:50 pm to TCO
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Fricke right off. The Beatles were a boy band and far from great instrumentalists. There are 10 year olds on YouTube who are better instrumentalists than those punks.
Just in case this isn’t a troll, the Beatles composition and recording skills are truly what set them apart and still what makes them noteworthy and unique to this day.
Their use of chromaticism, modal mixture, borrowed chords, changing time signatures within the song and other methods helped to derive very unique emotion out of individual tracks. In other words there are standard sequences of notes you can play in a song, some so standard we can all instinctively sing/resolve them (ie. doe ray me), and these sound really good to us because of familiarity. Each sequence evokes a different emotion or feeling: some are bright/happy (ex major scale: “oh when the saints”) some are whimsical/inquisitive (ex: Lydian scale: “The Siiiimp sonnnnnns”), some are edgy/sinister (ex minor scale: “I am I ron man”).
Nearly every song the Beatles wrote contained elements of mixing these formulas together (even for very brief moments), effectively mixing emotions together. I think this simulates the human experience which we often feel blends of emotions, and certain moments with their accompanying emotions can stick in your memory forever. A normal listener instinctively feels these mixtures and understand what the song means without relying on the lyrics alone.
A lot of this was done very subtly as well, such as the bass playing a note outside the basic three notes of the guitar chord (hard days night opening chord). Or playing a borrowed minor chord over a major bass line (nowhere man “isn’t he a bit like you an me?”).
Since it’s George’s birthday, I will highlight his use of chromaticism (which is playing notes in a straight line between the other notes in the sequence) in “Something”. The main riff (the part that leads up the song title “da daa da daa daa something”) uses a series a chords (groups of notes) in which one of the notes climbs up one at a time, building up to the main chord and verse “something in the way…” which starts another series of chords which does the exact opposite, one note is falling down one at a time. This creates a feeling of rocking back and forth, building excitement and falling back with comfort. So funny watching him write the lyrics to this one because they are so beautiful and started like “attracts me like a pomegranate” and “reminds of a cauliflower”.
Recoding methods and studio tricks such as using all members’ voices for vocals (lead vocals and vocal harmonies), altering lineups/arrangements, featuring different instruments from track to track, double tracks tape delays on backing tracks, etc. add to the objectively unique sound they had.
All of these things have been mimicked/emulated since. They set the Mk. It’s amazing what they did in basically 3-4 years only in the studio.
And as for instrumentalism:
Paul’s isolated bass on Hey Bulldog written on the spot
You could say I like this group.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 12:57 pm to el Gaucho
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Bro the Beatles have like 5 good songs
Wow….just, wow
Posted on 2/25/23 at 12:59 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
George would’ve probably had a similar arc as Clapton if the Beatles never happened.
Paul and John’s songwriting was a step beyond though.
Paul and John’s songwriting was a step beyond though.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 1:02 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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George Harrison would have been 80 today
And Paul (turning 81) would still be calling him "kid" like he was still doing in their 50s.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 1:02 pm to OceanMan
Very deep… nobody and I mean NOBODY was coming close to doing what the Beatles were doing in the early 60’s. I Feel Fine is truly amazing instrument wise, lyric wise, and the harmony was top notch. Some need to listen to1962-1966 and then 1967-1970. These two are
A perfect reflection on how diverse they were in those 8 years.
A perfect reflection on how diverse they were in those 8 years.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 1:07 pm to Yaz 8
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No knock on George who was great, but this recent thought that he was the “best” Beatle is strange to me. Paul was so great for so long his genius is taken for granted. Somehow it became the hot take that George is “better” but I don’t get it. Saw Paul last summer, great show and when you consider he’s 80 it’s downright mind blowing.
Agree with pretty much all of that. George has received a huge resurgence in recent times and it’s sort of strange. Admittedly I’m not a huge George fan…while I do like some of his stuff, I also can’t stand a lot of it too. And I do think outside of a few contributions (I listed previously), his Beatles songs are pretty weak. But it almost seems like it’s become the cool thing to say these days.
Weirdly enough, I think my favorite song of his is one of his most simple: You. I mean shite, the first two verses only use four different words.
But I do absolutely love that song. Posted on 2/25/23 at 1:12 pm to KAHog
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BTW, Paul is great, but he wrote all their lovey dovey drivel. John wrote the good stuff.
That’s just not true, and is a very “John” thing to say. Sure, Paul wrote lovey type songs, but drivel? No fricking way. For No One is one of his best Beatles songs IMO, and it’s expertly crafted. Also, John had his hand in plenty of “I Want to Hold Your Hand” type songs too. A lot of those earlier “lovey dovey” songs were Paul and John together.
Sure, later on John wrote far more cynical songs than Paul, but you’re discrediting the frick out of Paul’s songwriting. And he also wrote lots of great non-love songs as mentioned.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 1:16 pm to CocomoLSU
I don’t
Know why you even responded to his stupid post. I hope he was trolling.
Know why you even responded to his stupid post. I hope he was trolling.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 1:23 pm to CocomoLSU
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And I do think outside of a few contributions (I listed previously), his Beatles songs are pretty weak. But it almost seems like it’s become the cool thing to say these days.
His seemed to be really coming into his own during the last few albums, his best songs were on Abbey Road IMO. Wrote a lot of his solo recordings during this time. I mean I think him getting so good is an under recognized influence on their demise. L/M just didn’t provide the support on his songs. Some of his best stuff didn’t make the the albums and were better than L/M worst entries.
I generally agree with your sentiment though. For the reasons stated above, George was mainly there as a supportive member. Outside of his songs, he played mostly rhythm guitar and backing vocals on recordings. He floated around on instruments in the studio to hammer out ideas. But that made him a great team player. It’s not unusual for those types of guys to be fan favorites.
Posted on 2/25/23 at 1:30 pm to CocomoLSU
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That’s just not true, and is a very “John” thing to say.
Spot on. I was about to reply to that comment that his position was fed to him by John propaganda. Listening to some early iterations john brought some bullshite to the studio that wound up a great Beatles song because the others were just better team players.
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