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re: Georgia covid getting hot
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:35 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:35 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Stories on Georgia focusing on cases 'reported' on day state opened up more (May 1st) also fail to mention that April 29th they had 957 reported new cases or that they had almost 20,000 tests reported May 1st following 5000 and 4000 prior 2 days (i think may 1st was highest day of total tests for them).
Based on state reports they are reporting cases the lab, doctor, and patient have probably known result for a day and that's on top of time to get tested, to process specimen, and incubation period from actual infection date.
Whatever is happening there was already happening before increased openings May 1st.
Some of this reminds me of the testing ramp up when some were acting like daily reported cases the first 2 to even 3 weeks were all new infections even with shutdowns instead of mostly being people sick or infected before shutdown/testing ramp up now getting confirmed and reason to start flattening curve before results. We were already at 6 figures in cases before March 15th, but they just didn't get confirmed by testing until afterwards.
Based on state reports they are reporting cases the lab, doctor, and patient have probably known result for a day and that's on top of time to get tested, to process specimen, and incubation period from actual infection date.
Whatever is happening there was already happening before increased openings May 1st.
Some of this reminds me of the testing ramp up when some were acting like daily reported cases the first 2 to even 3 weeks were all new infections even with shutdowns instead of mostly being people sick or infected before shutdown/testing ramp up now getting confirmed and reason to start flattening curve before results. We were already at 6 figures in cases before March 15th, but they just didn't get confirmed by testing until afterwards.
This post was edited on 5/3/20 at 12:48 pm
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Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:36 pm to Hulkklogan
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Y'all are both harping on a point I'm not trying to actually care about.
And yet you keep bringing it up over and over again.
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The only point I care about right now is that it's time to open with preventative measures, because we face questions and unknowns.
That’s been true for several weeks now.
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NYC and New Orleans systems were close to overloaded but the shutdowns came in time.
Where’s your data that actually supports this? All those unused beds in the convention center and hospital ship? The 12000 excess ventilators that Louisiana had to have that are collecting dust in a warehouse somewhere?
There have been plenty of posts from people within the Louisiana hospital systems on this board saying the opposite of your MSM claim.
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If we open everything up with no mitigation there's no logical reason to think we don't wind up in the same boat
You mean besides the fact that the virus is going to infect who it’s going to infect, and has been doing so for months?
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:39 pm to Hulkklogan
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NYC and New Orleans systems were close to overloaded but the shutdowns came in time.
If we open everything up with no mitigation there's no logical reason to think we don't wind up in the same boat.
ummmm, no
NYC needed 40k ventilators remember? how many did they end up using at once at most? less than 4k.
remember that Navy ship sent up there to prevent overflow? yeah, they treated around ~130 patients and have already left.
JBE originally wanted 2 hospitals built. back peddled almost immediately. only one was needed. it hardly got used.
this is what happens when you have little early data out of China, really poor estimates, and a media itching to fear monger at the drop of a pin.
eta: ohhh and a lot of fricking dumbass sheep in this country.
meanwhile, we've got non essential COVID-19 hospital workers being laid off by the thousands across the country, because without elective surgeries....the hospitals cannot pay them.
This post was edited on 5/3/20 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:43 pm to dallastigers
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Whatever is happening there was already happening before increased openings May 1st.
This is true - and why it was particularly bad judgment for the state to open back up when it did.
The full effects of this poor decision won't be felt for 2-4 weeks.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:45 pm to ksayetiger
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maybe he wants to kick your arse
Channeling Red Foreman..
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:49 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Unless the hospitals are overrun, it does not matter.
This is true - and why it was particularly bad judgment for the state to open back up when it did.
The full effects of this poor decision won't be felt for 2-4 weeks.
How is this still lost on y’all?
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:50 pm to SlidellCajun
If things are spiking now, less than a week after reopening, then that means the stay at home orders were not effective.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:55 pm to Scruffy
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Unless the hospitals are overrun, it does not matter.
The epidemic curve doesn't turn on a dime - hospitals overrun today won't be not over-run tomorrow if we just flip some magic switch.
How is this still lost on you?
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:56 pm to SlidellCajun
Why is anyone surprised at this? People stayed home for a week, and then started flooding walmarts and home depots. Lowe's and Home Depot have both seen massive growth in sales, country wide, since this started. It's common sense.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 12:59 pm to Scruffy
quote:If this is the game plan then my money is on the Compton Community Organ. (Her)
It is as if everyone is just trying to purposefully out stupid each other.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:02 pm to SlidellCajun
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got a lot of down votes but we have to pay attention to what is Happening in our southern states. Georgia was out there with their declaration that they were opening up. I was really hoping that they’d prove everyone wrong.
Are they over burdening their hospitals? No? Then there is no reason to quarantine. You fricking simpletons don’t understand why we we are staying at home. It doesn’t prevent the scale of the spread. It prolongs it
Of course reopening would show a spike. What the frick else did you think would happen? That’s irrelevant
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:02 pm to noonan
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If things are spiking now, less than a week after reopening, then that means the stay at home orders were not effective.
People didn't stay home, what did you expect? Less than a week is irrelevant due to the extended incubation period. Most of these people were likely infected before the opening even happened.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:05 pm to BamaAtl
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The epidemic curve doesn't turn on a dime - hospitals overrun today won't be not over-run tomorrow if we just flip some magic switch.
The hospitals in Georgia weren't overrun before. Now we have much more knowledge and information about the virus to allow at-risk people to take proper precaution, even more resources on the federal level to send to the states that need it, and the "spike" in cases/deaths the second time around should be lower than the first time around anyway.
There is no reason to believe that the Georgia hospitals are going to be overrun because the "stay-at-home" was lifted. None.
This post was edited on 5/3/20 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:11 pm to SlidellCajun
Interesting. We will see in a week or so after they have been open for a bit.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:16 pm to BamaAtl
quote:No, it doesn’t, but unless there is an imminent risk of hospitals failing, then shutdowns serve little to no purpose.
The epidemic curve doesn't turn on a dime - hospitals overrun today won't be not over-run tomorrow if we just flip some magic switch.
They actually are detrimental in the long run.
The cases will happen, and if there are zero infrastructure issues, they should be allowed to happen.
In the long run, they will happen anyway.
This post was edited on 5/3/20 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:20 pm to cooLStorybreaUx
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Less than a week is irrelevant due to the extended incubation period
That's my point.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:48 pm to Scruffy
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This is true - and why it was particularly bad judgment for the state to open back up when it did.
The full effects of this poor decision won't be felt for 2-4 weeks.
Unless the hospitals are overrun, it does not matter.
How is this still lost on y’all?
The idiots have moved the goalposts not understanding the area under the curve is the same with full quarantine vs no restrictions.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:49 pm to BuckyCheese
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The idiots have moved the goalposts not understanding the area under the curve is the same with full quarantine vs no restrictions
I got blasted for saying this in the thread about Sweden.
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:50 pm to Scruffy
Are you really surprised that BamaAtl, proud Democrat, is in favor of indefinite shutdowns?
Posted on 5/3/20 at 1:53 pm to NIH
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Are you really surprised that BamaAtl, proud Democrat, is in favor of indefinite shutdowns?
I know a few Bernie Bros on Twitter and they retweet every story about how we're all going to die if we open up too soon. I guess they'd rather see 40% unemployment rates and bread lines.
This post was edited on 5/3/20 at 1:54 pm
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