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re: Google has a plan to disrupt the college degree
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:23 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:23 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'd argue that there are not all that many major Marxist thinkers in academic institutions. At one point in time, some departments might have had a token Marxist there, but the Marxist tradition in the US is supremely overstated. The Anarcho-Communist tradition had a stronger presence at certain institutions, but most of its work has taken place outside the academy.
Step foot in any Sociology college and meet the professors. The most "right" Sociology professor I met said he is a classical liberal, the rest were either a male professor that called himself a feminist or one that expounded the first week about how Marxism hasn't failed because it hasn't been exercised in its purest form.
The economics professors were the only ones I would say were largely conservative.
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Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:26 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'd argue that there are not all that many major Marxist thinkers in academic institutions.
Well, you're an idiot so...
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The notion that there are teachers able to indoctrinate students is undermined by anyone who has taught a college class, as I have.
You teaching anything at the college level is exactly proving the argument in the long sustained degradation in the rigor of secondary education in this country.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:37 pm to Barstools
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Pretty sure companies aren't going to accept a Google 6 month technical training as a substitute for a college degree.
Pretty sure companies will accept whatever training path provides them with they type employees they need for the least amount of money, hiring decisions are based on economics.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:44 pm to Clames
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You obviously are grossly ignorant about 3rd Wave feminism, which is the bulk of contemporary Feminist Studies courses. It is not "literally based" on anything aside from peddling victimhood mentality.
Utter nonsense. Germaine Greer, who is regarded as a 2nd-Wave feminist, was far more radical than most 3rd-wave feminists, though 3rd-wave feminism encompasses a large scope of thought. The feminists in the 70's were far more radical than the feminists in the 90's, as Greer was inspired by the liberation movement, while many 3rd-wave feminists were guided by what is called equity feminism. Liberation feminists wanted to unearth whole structures of society to undue systems of oppression. Equity feminists were perfectly fine with equal rights and opportunities in the workplace. But regardless, the notion that 3rd wave feminism makes up the bulk of Feminist Studies courses is a massive claim. Who are these feminists? Are you telling me these concentrations don't study Wollstonecraft, Greer, Ehrenreich, Adrienne Rich, Simone de Beauvoir or Angela Davis?
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:45 pm to Clames
Name these Marxist thinkers for me that are so prominent. I can even give you a couple.
Maybe, but I'm pursuing a MD now, and I would wager I'm far more well-read in the liberal tradition than you are.
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You teaching anything at the college level is exactly proving the argument in the long sustained degradation in the rigor of secondary education in this country.
Maybe, but I'm pursuing a MD now, and I would wager I'm far more well-read in the liberal tradition than you are.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:51 pm to bountyhunter
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Step foot in any Sociology college and meet the professors.
Sociology is probably the most prominent field with Marxists, because Karl Marx is regarded as one of the founders of the sociological method, but most sociology departments are quite small, and don't have a large amount of influence within the academy, at least in my own experience.
In terms of philosophy, most departments in the United States follow what is called the Anglo-American tradition, and do not even touch on anything associated with the Continental tradition. There are only a handful of departments which have faculty who specialized in the Continental tradition, and that faculty is mostly relegated to comparative literature. Most Marxist philosophical work takes place outside of the academy.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 3:54 pm to Jim Rockford
I'm glad to see this being done. I'm not happy that the already ubiquitous Google is the one doing it. Tech companies like Microsoft have been doing this for a long time and they should have seen that there was a general need beyond computer/network related certifications. Google wears its politics/social agenda on its sleeves and this affords yet another far reaching avenue for their social engineering.
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 4:03 pm to carhartt
This board is hilarious. A bunch of die hard college football fans that hate the idea of college. 
Posted on 8/21/20 at 5:02 pm to TheHarahanian
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Universities are nothing more than physical plants for marxist indoctrination
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And it’s shocking that the comrades at Google want to deprive people of that indoctrination.
I can’t help but laugh every time someone talks about big tech and Marxism.
Alphabet is #11 on the Fortune 500 with $161B in revenue. Their $34B in profit is #5 in the US. At the time the 2020 Fortune 500 was released, they were the 4th largest American company by valuation, with a market cap of $798B. Today, their market cap actually exceeds $1 trillion.
Some of their Marxist peers in the Fortune 500 include:
Ford Motor (#12)
Chevron (#16)
JPMorgan Chase (#17)
General Motors (#18)
Verizon (#20)
Their market valuation is higher than ExxonMobil, Chevron, BP, Royal Dutch Shell, ENI, Total, and ConocoPhillips... combined.
Some of their acquisitions over the past ~15 years include:
Fitbit for $2.1B
Looker for $2.6B
HTC (portions) for $1.1B
Apigee for $625MM
Deepmind Technologies for $625MM
Nest Labs for $3.2B
Waze for $966MM
Motorola Mobility for $12.5B
ITA Software for $676MM
DoubleClick for $3.1B
YouTube for $1.7B
Not to mention a little company called Android that they picked up for a cheap $50MM back in ‘05.
Definitely communists.
Big tech might be on the left when it comes to social issues, but they are poster children for unbridled capitalism. Posted on 8/21/20 at 8:47 pm to EA6B
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Pretty sure companies will accept whatever training path provides them with they type employees they need for the least amount of money, hiring decisions are based on economics.
How do they know Google actually provide adequate training/skill set? Colleges are accredited for this reason. Who is going to be the first to take that leap?
Posted on 8/21/20 at 8:55 pm to Jim Rockford
idk I'm going to school for accounting. Pretty sure that takes either a degree or decades of experience to be proficient.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 8:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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because Economics is a degree and a degree is more than just what your major is. a degree is a sign of education, not training
hell, isn't Econ a BA in most/many colleges?
At LSU, it’s a BA if you’re not in the business school, otherwise it’s a BS. That said, I’m all for a well rounded degree program but it’s obvious the foreign language requirements exist to fill classrooms to give their grad students and professors someone to teach. No way would foreign languages have so many sections filled if it was optional.
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 9:00 pm to Jim Rockford
This sounds an awful lot like the moocs that everyone said would disrupt higher ed ten years ago.
There are some exceptional, motivated self learners from excellent high schools who could benefit from this, but it still won't help the majority of our population who needs much more help.
There are some exceptional, motivated self learners from excellent high schools who could benefit from this, but it still won't help the majority of our population who needs much more help.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 9:06 pm to bad93ex
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That is fine and dandy but will these "career certificates" pass the HR screening?
Yes. Most tech companies don't give a shite about degrees. They want to see if you can code / get work done.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 9:09 pm to gatorrocks
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Yes. Most tech companies don't give a shite about degrees. They want to see if you can code / get work done.
If this is true, which to be clear I believe that it is, there are so many resources on the internet that are free that one can learn if they are motivated.
This is a discipline issue. People go to school for Information technology degrees because they lack the know-how and/or the willpower to make themselves proficient in whatever language they choose.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 9:33 pm to Jim Rockford
Can someone explain the “plant processing” associate degree to me? Back in the day, to be an operator, you just needed a HS diploma and some common sense/mechanical aptitude (connections didn’t hurt either). Most require a degree now.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 10:16 pm to lostinbr
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Big tech might be on the left when it comes to social issues, but they are poster children for unbridled capitalism.
I have yet to meet the marxist who believes marxism will impact their wallet. Their beliefs are intended for others, not themselves.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 7:41 am to Jim Rockford
It's less than $50 a month too. My niece is seriously considering becoming a UX designer too so I will show her this.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 7:45 am to msutiger
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Please explain to me why someone getting a degree in economics needs two semesters in French?
If they didn’t require it, not enough people would take the class to justify the professor’s bloated salary.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 7:50 am to Winston Cup
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what? it seems like college degrees are more watered down than ever.
Yes but at the same cost of a home mortgage
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