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re: Is oil an abiotic resource?
Posted on 3/25/22 at 7:55 am to Abstract Queso Dip
Posted on 3/25/22 at 7:55 am to Abstract Queso Dip
quote:Isn’t that called ethanol?
What I wanna know is why we can't throw a bunch of organic material in a pressure cooker and pump out Petro.
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Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:08 am to loogaroo
I mean, fish oil?
In my teens, I couldn't stop oil production with enough Clearasil!
Oil's in every living organism?
In my teens, I couldn't stop oil production with enough Clearasil!
Oil's in every living organism?
Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:08 am to Abstract Queso Dip
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What I wanna know is why we can't throw a bunch of organic material in a pressure cooker and pump out Petro
Yea you’d think we could produce oil. We can do this with diamonds
Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:22 am to Abstract Queso Dip
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What I wanna know is why we can't throw a bunch of organic material in a pressure cooker and pump out Petro. Seems like we could speed up the million year process by a little pressure.
I think the answer is that you’d put more energy in than you would get out.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:29 am to biglego
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Yeah there are plenty hydrocarbons on other planets so the dead animal theory never made sense to me. We that and the crazy places oil is found.
It's both. O&G is a biotic and abiotic resource.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:37 am to deltaland
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Yea you’d think we could produce oil. We can do this with diamonds
We do do this. Sasol makes GTL Diesel. Gas to Liquids Diesel from methane or short chain carbon molecule to longer chain molecule.
But this process is still hydrocarbon to hydrocarbon.
I do not believe the process from an inorganic carbonatious mineral or rock like calcium carbonate to an organic hydrocarbon fuel has been perfected yet. This would be considered an abiotic process.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:49 am to loogaroo
The planet itself is a living being, and oil is its' blood.
I'll put down the weed now and show myself the door.
I'll put down the weed now and show myself the door.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:53 am to loogaroo
I believe oil is created by the earth itself as a cooling fluid for the earth's core.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:55 am to HeadSlash
Back during the 70's oil and gas crisis, the "experts" said all the oil would be GONE by the year 2000.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 9:32 am to notsince98
quote:Really? Give me some examples. I've seen new discoveries in old oil fields but at different depths and in different formations all together.
Empty oil fields are refilling themselves. It isn't coming from dinosaurs.
And the prevailing theory is that the bulk of the oil and gas was produced by organic decomposition of primarily plant and microorganisms, not really dinosaurs.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 10:29 am to JudgeHolden
Not if using nuclear to power the plants in combination of the pressure release of the Petro making machine to spin turbines.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 10:44 am to loogaroo
Space is full of hydrocarbons .
Is the Earth a giant zit ?
Is the Earth a giant zit ?
Posted on 3/25/22 at 10:48 am to mdomingue
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And the prevailing theory is that the bulk of the oil and gas was produced by organic decomposition of primarily plant and microorganisms, not really dinosaurs.
I'm pretty sure that when people say "dinosaurs" they mean all previously living organisms.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 11:53 am to GumboPot
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I'm pretty sure that when people say "dinosaurs" they mean all previously living organisms.
I'd like to believe that but as I get older I become less convinced
Posted on 3/25/22 at 12:40 pm to mdomingue
Think less about dinosaurs and more about millions, billions, etc. tons of microscopic sea life that settled to the ocean floor yearly and over the course of millions of years. Then add immense pressures and plate tectonics. A great recipe for oil, and gasses.
But it would be hard to argue that some of it does not come from the natural combinations of elements themselves (not already combined into something that was living) undergoing the same processes.
But it would be hard to argue that some of it does not come from the natural combinations of elements themselves (not already combined into something that was living) undergoing the same processes.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 12:40 pm to JudgeHolden
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So how come most oil and gas comes from fluvial deposits?
Where it comes from is different from where is accumulates.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:42 pm to td1
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Think less about dinosaurs and more about millions, billions, etc. tons of microscopic sea life that settled to the ocean floor yearly and over the course of millions of years. Then add immense pressures and plate tectonics. A great recipe for oil, and gasses.
Interesting article from 2005 https://www.livescience.com/9404-mysterious-origin-supply-oil.html
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Abiogenic sources of oil have been found, but never in commercially profitable amounts. The controversy isn't over whether naturally forming oil reserves exist, said Larry Nation of the American Association of Petroleum Geologists. It's over how much they contribute to Earth's overall reserves and how much time and effort geologists should devote to seeking them out.
An interesting statement made in 2005
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But with gas prices spiking more than $1 per gallon in the United States this year and some experts predicting that the end of oil is near, scientists still don't know for sure where oil comes from, how long it took to make, or how much there is.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:44 pm to loogaroo
As matter moves and sinks throughout the earth, could not excessive heat from the core begin an almost distillation process that creates these substances? When you distill grain mash the heads are methanol. Could something else result in petroleum or natural gas?
Posted on 3/25/22 at 1:58 pm to OldSouth
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Just imagine roadkill and the tiny “grease spot” that is left after the body decomposes and is eaten by scavengers. Even a massive dinosaur would only leave a few ounces of material that could become oil.
The "oil comes from dead animals/dinosaurs" thing is a straw man. Organic matter. Go up in a plane, look down, what is everywhere? Plants. There's your carbon source if you go with the carbon lifecycle model. Not dead animals.
Posted on 3/25/22 at 2:16 pm to loogaroo
Curious how it is miles under the surface.
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