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re: Let’s be honest about the war on drugs

Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:00 am to
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
32254 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:00 am to
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Is it? How expensive is CO or CA weed? I thought there were still huge issues with gray and black markets


That’s a regulation problem, not a legalization problem. It’s why the “legalize and tax the hell out of it” crowd is misguided.
Posted by terriblegreen
Souf Badden Rewage
Member since Aug 2011
12183 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:01 am to
Don't forget the role the CIA played.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41913 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:07 am to
Oh I agree. We have too much regulation in this country anyway for literally everything.

I’d like to see less regulation, especially around butchers and meat, but alcohol and marijuana too.

Eta
I do remember one of the huge arguments on this site and nationwide was legalize it and tax the shite out of it to make money though. I guess it would have to be legalized federally
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 7:08 am
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30072 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:08 am to
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Let them die and then people will eventually stop doing drugs because they will see how horrible the consequences of their actions are.


That has never worked nor will it ever work. If it did the fentanyl deaths would have significantly cut down on opiate addiction.
Posted by Texas ellessu
East Bank of Ward's Creek
Member since Dec 2007
580 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:14 am to
We never used the right tactic. We only played games (and still do). A real war on drugs would have involved death sentence to dealers on the spot and one (and only one) chance at rehab. Still want to use dope?, life in prison. Now that’s a war!
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20953 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:20 am to
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Alcohol

While it's slightly outside the century window, they gladly shutdown alcohol pre prohibition. Odd use of a wartime power, but the voters asked for it after that, and that was on them.
Posted by Oswald
South of the St. George Buffer Zone
Member since Aug 2011
4294 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:28 am to
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Legalize it like alcohol.

I'm surprised that politicians haven't made this move so they can use it each election season. Legalizing it and regulating it would generate an astronomical amount of tax revenue, not to mention the jobs that would be created for meth/cocaine/heroin manufacturing facilities.
Posted by Ole Boy
Member since Dec 2018
934 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:31 am to
Potheads and women will be the downfall of this country!
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30072 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:39 am to
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A real war on drugs would have involved death sentence to dealers on the spot


If you are ready to just scrap the Constitution there are a metric shite ton of other crime deterrence/prevention measures we could implement.

Plus death on the spot for dealers is proved not to be effective every day since all dealers live under the very real threat of execution at the hands of other dealers every day.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14673 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 7:39 am to
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he high incarceration rate for non violent crimes,



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Non violent crime incarceration is a catch term that sucks. Breaking into homes, stealing catalytic converters, a/c units for the copper are considered non violent offense that drug addicts normally commit. For decades there have been public service campaigns showing the harm of drug addiction. Of a person is so much of a mental midget that they still decide to get hooked to the point of committing these crimes, then they can surely deal with the repercussions.



I agree. F**k all of that lowlife trash. Anyone who's "good" with "theft by crackhead" becoming "just something we will all have to deal with" is an absolute moron.

If we are going to be told we must bear the burden of all the illegal activity drug addicts bring to the table, then I would be all for raising the "risk factor" all the way to the top for them.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:03 am to
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the high incarceration rate for non violent crimes


This is a bunch of bullshite and you know it

shite just scan the OT any random day. Multiple people are being beaten or killed. There is tons and tons of violence in this country and they deserve to be locked up to protect society.

The people you are referring to a mainly smugglers in federal prison for smuggling mass quantities of drugs. Or people arrested for other offenses that plead down to a lesser drug charge.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
59118 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:07 am to
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Federal spending on drug control efforts was nearly $26 billion in 2018 and adjusted for inflation, that's an increase of almost 73% since 2008. For 2021, the federal drug control budget proposal by the White House would have the government spending more than $35 billion, slightly higher than what was spent in 2020.


Think about what an extra 35 billion could be done if correctly applied to mental health, rehabilitation, or fighting hunger could accomplish
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39268 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:07 am to
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Let’s be honest about the war on drugs


It was a crime against humanity and everyone knows it. fricking people locked up for life for selling an herb or a coca plant, while murderers go free after 10 years?

The least paroled prisoners were drug offenders. over violent crime.

The government went out of its way to send a message, like the death penalty was thought to discourage violent crimes, insane prison sentences were thought to discourage drug use.
Posted by BR92
Member since Apr 2021
1047 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:14 am to
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Legalized drugs would be a fraction of the cost



One would think so, but, will they really? From what I have witnessed state legalized weed is still more expensive than black market. Why believe that retail hard drugs from the govt. will be any different ?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
41913 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:16 am to
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Think about what an extra 35 billion could be done if correctly applied to mental health, rehabilitation, or fighting hunger could accomplish


Or how about never taken from tax payers in the first place.
Posted by mauser
Orange Beach
Member since Nov 2008
26527 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:18 am to
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. Going to give them free food, housing, cellphone, etc


Food yep, housing yep - abandoned mall, cell phone - nope. Go through mall with stretchers a couple of times a day to pick up dead. When an addict gets tired of living like a doped up loser, we'll help him with rehab.

PS, bonus, If the dopes free maybe the scumbag dealers and cartels can make a living selling cigarettes, trans-fats, and ammo.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
59118 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:23 am to
Well yeah, that would be ideal but it’s a little late for that
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:45 am to
Questions.

If legal crack costs $35 at the drug store, but $20 on the corner, why do we think the drug user is going to pay that?

And will legal distributors be allowed to trade sex for drugs? How will your typical crackhead come up with the funds to pay for legal drugs?

Does legal distribution keep a crackhead from stealing from his parents, friends, and employer to support his habit?

Serious questions. Addicts aren't rational humans.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 8:46 am to
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It’s all a bunch of BS. Nixon fricked up.


Every president since Nixon has added to the war on drugs.

The present one is the guy who put it on steroids.
Posted by caro81
Member since Jul 2017
6167 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 9:05 am to
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It’s all a bunch of BS


yup.
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