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Posted on 1/28/26 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by kjp811
Denver, CO
Member since Apr 2017
1094 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 12:04 pm to
Some of the biggest renewable developers are owned by the oil giants.
Posted by bbarras85
Member since Jul 2021
2372 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 12:17 pm to
As of January 1, 2026, Michigan's motor fuel tax is a flat 52.4 cents per gallon for both gasoline and diesel fuel. The previous 6% state sales tax on fuel was eliminated, with all revenue from the new flat tax now dedicated to road funding.

Louisiana's state gas tax is 20 cents per gallon, a rate that includes 16 cents for the Transportation Trust Fund (DOTD projects) and 4 cents from the older TIMED program, with the total 20.9 cents often cited (including a minor federal adjustment/rounding).

prime example of self-induced outrage.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
9968 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 12:20 pm to
I am so fricking tired of global warming dumbasses.
Posted by The Goon
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2008
1340 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 12:35 pm to
BP has a program actively putting in charging stations in gas stations and other major public places. I don’t see that as fighting against the EV market. Castrol has lubricants specially made for EVs, too.
Posted by rob0710
LA
Member since Oct 2004
1109 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 12:36 pm to
Subsidies from oil is the only reason why EVs exist.
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6529 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 12:43 pm to
I see things like this and I want to ask them show me where Electricity comes from?
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
14643 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 12:45 pm to
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Their governor is a legit sociopath.

And after her actions with COVID, they re-elected her. Let the state burn.
Posted by TimeOutdoors
LA
Member since Sep 2014
13268 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 1:02 pm to
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If he really believes this then he has a very fundamental misunderstanding of the US patent system. The entire point is to encourage inventors to publicly disclose their technology (in return for a relatively short term of protection) vs. keeping everything secret. Someone smarter will see the disclosure and figure out a way to improve the technology, often by designing around the patent. Society as a whole benefits from the system. Some would argue that has led to the USA's historical position as a technical powerhouse compared to the rest of the world.


In the documentary I was referring to one of the car manufacturers purchased a patent from a guy that had developed a new battery. He thought it so they could use it in their car manufacturing, but he soon found out they bought it to keep this technology from getting out.

I do see your point though.
Posted by Muahahaha
Ohio
Member since Nov 2005
6962 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 1:57 pm to
Michigan...

Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
77550 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 2:19 pm to
quote:


Louisiana's state gas tax is 20 cents per gallon, a rate that includes 16 cents for the Transportation Trust Fund (DOTD projects) and 4 cents from the older TIMED program, with the total 20.9 cents often cited (including a minor federal adjustment/rounding).

prime example of self-induced outrage


You realize Louisiana is just using their high arse sales tax to pay for road projects?

Michigan has it right here. Charge a gas tax that covers road maintenance and quit jacking up other taxes to pay for road projects.
Posted by BabysArmHoldingApple
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2016
1271 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 2:42 pm to
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In the documentary


I haven't seen it but I believe that you are accurately restating what they asserted in the documentary. My comments below are not directed at you but rather at the documentary.

quote:

but he soon found out they bought it to keep this technology from getting out.


Patented technology is already "out" because the technology must necessarily be disclosed to the public fully and accurately for a patent to be legally valid.

The only way to use a patent to stop innovation is for the patent owner to sue somebody that is actually making, using or selling the patented subject matter in the marketplace for patent infringement. I guess the patent could have a chilling effect on someone who wants to pursue the technology. But the way that it usually works is that if the patented invention is that lucrative, then the infringer will make a fortune by commercializing the technology and use that $$ as war chest to hire the best lawyers to attack the patent and fight back against the infringement claims.

My point is that patent law is way more nuanced and involved than what movies and TV suggest. And if the idea is lucrative enough you will never keep it off the market with a patent.



Posted by theCrusher
Slidell
Member since Nov 2007
1674 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 3:08 pm to
If they actually believe this, they should pull all tax breaks and ev investments from GM, Ford and Stellantis.

My guess is it's a money grab from having a budget deficit.

"As of early 2026, Michigan is addressing a projected
$2 billion budget gap, driven by a structural imbalance, slower revenue growth, and reduced federal funding. The state is navigating significant spending pressures, including potential impacts from federal spending reductions, while attempting to maintain a balanced budget required by law"
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
77550 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 3:15 pm to
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If they actually believe this, they should pull all tax breaks and ev investments from GM, Ford and Stellantis


I believe it. Why would oil companies not lobby to stay in business and protect their assets? Wouldn't be the first time they have been guilty of this.

Don't really blame the oil companies when renewables have colluded and lobbied on the other side.
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
The Sticks
Member since Jun 2015
9648 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 3:16 pm to
Stretchen Gretchen took a few too many up the poop shoot and it's affected her ability to use her brain.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
74577 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 3:19 pm to
Can I sue Michigan for the 1986 Chevy Celebrity?
Posted by mule74
Watersound Beach
Member since Nov 2004
12687 posts
Posted on 1/28/26 at 3:27 pm to
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This is stupid. If alternate energy could provide the energy density at reduced costs to the consumer, there is nothing big oil could have done to stop it.


This is the point that I have always made as well.

Also, if renewables provided a more profitable, energy source than fossil fuels, the traditional energy companies would be cutting each other’s throats to bring it online in mass.

I have heard left claim for 20 years that oil and gas companies are stifling renewable energy. I hope this goes to court, because I want to see the evidence.
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