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Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:49 am to
Posted by AwesomeSauce
Das Boot
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:49 am to
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Whatever England did worked.
Banning guns made gun deaths go down. It also tripled their rape rate, twice as likely to be raped in the Uk vs the US. It nearly quadrupled their theft rate, twice as likely to be robbed in the UK vs the US. It also nearly doubled their car theft rate, 35% more likely to have your car stolen in the UK vs the US. With the societal dealings we have in the US, just imagine how high we could climb with our numbers if there was no fear of someone having a weapon to defend themselves stateside!!!
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
49636 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:50 am to
I don't know if this has been posted, but there is video of Hale shooting her way into the building and moving around.

LINK

It looks like no one is around on the floor where she enters. I wonder if they heard her shoot the glass doors of the building.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
142770 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:50 am to
when I was in high school, I would estimate that up to 1/2 of the male students had some type of firearm in their car during hunting season.

it didn't even occur to us to use them on other kids.

what changed in the 90's? when did universities start openly mocking Christianity and pushing their anti-Christian views on students?

we need a value system. not oppressive laws on law abiding citizens.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45129 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:50 am to
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We are a nation of extremely violent people. All races, all walks of life.


FBI Crime statistics say otherwise.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62957 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:51 am to
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Whatever England did worked.
The population of England is roughly 1/6th that of the US. We have multiple states that haven’t had mass showings at schools—despite changing nothing. Simply on a stochastic scale, we’d expect fewer incidences in England.

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I’m a gun owner btw. Before you start calling me a soy-boy.
Every time. Y’all need a new script. You can be both, btw. Not that anyone believes you.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:51 am to
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Delta is ready when you are GTFO


I laugh when progs announce on here they are gun owners, then proceed to go after guns.

They also pretend to be conservative on the poli board.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
72131 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:51 am to
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you don't understand the how and why the Constitution was drafted.

This is the biggest issue for gun control progressives. They think that because basic rifles and muskets were the gun of choice when the Constitution was drafted that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to ensure people could own those specifics guns. They don't understand and/or don't want to acknowledge that the purpose of that Amendment, as well as most of the bill of rights, was created to prevent tyranny by the government, you know because we were waging our independence against a tyrannical government (Great Britain) and wanted to create check and balances in our newly formed government here. The 2nd Amendment was part of that. Its intention was to ensure people had the means of protecting themselves in the event the government imposed militaristic tyranny over the populace. Advances in artillary technology has obviously advanced since the Bill of Rights was drafted over 200 years ago, so naturally the types of firearms a citizen may need to ensure those same protections will advance as well. Whenever I hear arguments about hunting capabilities, I just roll my eyes. The 2nd Amendment wasn't drafted to protect rights to hunt animals nor was it created to protect your home against a criminal intruder. It was created as a check on the GOVERNMENT. Just like the entire fricking Bill of Rights.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:51 am to
Ev
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ery time. Y’all need a new script.


Yep, they lie.
Posted by TCO
Member since Jul 2022
3261 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:52 am to
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their car theft rate


You didn’t provide any stats, so I’m gonna call BS on this. Have you been to NOLA?

Nevertheless, I’d rather have my car stolen than my kid get shot at school
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:52 am to
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We are a nation of extremely violent people. All races, all walks of life.




You think that's a uniquely American trait?

You should travel more.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:53 am to
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FBI Crime statistics say otherwise.



Yep.

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45129 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:53 am to
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Still waiting on your stats



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22 February 1972 Aldershot bombing Aldershot, England 7 18 A car bomb outside the headquarters of the British Army's 16th Parachute Regiment by Official IRA member Noel Jenkinson.
4 February 1974 M62 coach bombing West Yorkshire, England 12 38 A bombing on a coach carrying servicemen and their families by the Provisional Irish Republican Army.
5 October 1974 Guildford pub bombings Guildford, England 5 65 Two bombs detonated in two Guildford pubs by the PIRA who targeted them because they were popular with British servicemen.
21 November 1974 Birmingham pub bombings Birmingham, England 21 182 Two bombs detonated in two Birmingham pubs by the PIRA.
16 August 1980 Denmark Place fire London, England 37 An arson attack against a nightclub on Denmark Street by patron who was angry at being barred from the club for arguing with a barman. Described - prior to the Lockerbie bombing - as the deadliest mass murder in modern British history.
19 August 1987 Hungerford massacre Hungerford, England 16 15 A spree shooting/murder–suicide. Led to the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988.
21 December 1988 Lockerbie bombing Lockerbie, Scotland 270 A bombing on the Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie by Libyan terrorist Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, the damaged plane fell onto the town of Lockerbie. All passengers and crew members on the flight were killed, and eleven people on the ground.
26 February 1994 Clerkenwell cinema fire London, England 11 13 An arson attack against a cinema in Clerkenwell by patron who was angry at having to pay entry fee again after leaving.
13 March 1996 Dunblane massacre Dunblane, Scotland 17 15 A school shooting/murder–suicide. Deadliest mass shooting in UK history.
30 April 1999 Admiral Duncan nail bombing London, England 3 79 A nail bombing at the Admiral Duncan gay bar that killed three people and injured 79. Part of a series of bombings by neo-Nazi David Copeland, although this was the only one to result in fatalities.
7 July 2005 7 July 2005 London bombings London, England 52 700+ Al-Qaeda attack.
Four coordinated terrorist Suicide bombings in central London between 08:50 and 09:47. It was the United Kingdom's worst terrorist incident since the 1988 Lockerbie bombing, as well as the country's first ever suicide attack.

2 June 2010 Cumbria shootings Cumbria, England 12 11 A killing spree/murder–suicide.
1 January 2012 Horden shooting Horden, England 4 1 A mass shooting/murder–suicide.
22 March 2017 2017 Westminster attack London, England 6 49 A vehicle and knife Islamist terrorist attack outside the Palace of Westminster.
22 May 2017 Manchester Arena bombing Manchester, England 23 800 Islamist terrorist suicide attack at Manchester Arena after an Ariana Grande concert.[17] In May 2018, the number of injured was revised to 800.[18]
3 June 2017 2017 London Bridge attack London, England 8 48 Islamic State of Iraq and Syria attack/vehicle and knife attack.[19]
29 November 2019 2019 London Bridge attack London, England 3 3 Islamic State of Iraq and Syria knife attack. ISIS took responsibility for the attack. Usman Khan was named the attacker.
20 June 2020 2020 Reading stabbings Reading, England 3 3 Islamic terror attack. Three people killed and three injured. Khairi Saadallah received a whole-life order for the attack.[20]
12 August 2021 2021 Plymouth shooting Plymouth, England 6 2 6 people killed including the gunman after a mass shooting in Keyham, Plymouth.


I'm sure you can figure the rest out. Guns were never a problem in the UK, and in fact were not the tool of choice for mass casualties. And they're still happening, despite guns being banned, at increasing frequency.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54843 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:54 am to
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You didn’t provide any stats
Wait, aren’t you the one that made the claim that England’s actions worked? Did you provide any data to support that claim?

FWIW, I get called wrongly labeled a prog and liberal cuck on here all of the time.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 11:57 am
Posted by TCO
Member since Jul 2022
3261 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:54 am to
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I laugh when progs announce on here they are gun owners, then proceed to go after guns.


I own 6 shotguns and 4 pistols. What are you trying to say to me?
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
72131 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:54 am to
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But Chicago has a different issue than the mass shooting issue.

Define mass shooting. Because gun control advocates change that narrative depending on the argument. If they want to use fear tactics to show how many mass shootings there are, they'll cite any incident where 2 or more people are shot. If they want to address school shootings (and the like) in particular, they leave out street violence in because they don't want to be accused of marginalizing a minority group. There's absolutely no consistency in their arguments.

A big step in the right direction would be to actually impose strict sentences for those convicted of crimes committed with firearms as well as judges and district attorneys not repeatedly reducing bonds to bare minimums for those charged with violent felonies. You keep violent offenders off the streets, you prevent countless tragic events from ever happening. But they won't do that because it's not politically advantageous for them. They're every bit as much or more to blame for why so many violent crimes continue to happen every single day in our major cities. If they ever choose to enforce the laws, enforce sentencing guidelines, and impose bond amounts consistent with ensuring public safety, our firearm casualty rate plummets nationwide.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 11:59 am
Posted by SpaceCamp
Member since Nov 2020
541 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:54 am to
Anybody else thing she dressed to look like Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris? There is a lot of weirdos who worship those two.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36603 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:55 am to
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I own 6 shotguns and 4 pistols. What are you trying to say to me?



Did you know pistols kill more people per year than all other types of firearms combined? I want your handguns. Nobody needs to own those
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:56 am to
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I don't disagree, but we're talking about gun laws in the context of high profile shootings like this one.


That's fine, but I'm not a Democrat. I care about gun deaths that don't make the headlines and work up their useful idiots, too.

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In that case, firearms training would, if anything, be a potential net negative.


I don't see how. It's not like these people are attacking armed and capable individuals.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:56 am to
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I own 6 shotguns and 4 pistols.


Oh, I am so sure you do.

Every goddamned prog uses the same script.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 11:57 am to
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I want your handguns.


Just imagine them, and they are yours.
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