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re: New narrative protecting Alec Baldwin...
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:52 am to Klark Kent
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:52 am to Klark Kent
quote:That sounds awesome, maybe the only way I'd watch MLB nowadays lol
We’ve been setting up a projector and huge screen in the neighborhood cul de sac for the playoffs games and that’s been a ton of fun.
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 12:13 pm to NoSaint
A couple of rather recent developments... It was reported over the weekend that some of the people on the set were doing target shooting, with real ammo, during breaks. Also, it was reported this morning that all of the business with the "armorer" placing safe weapons on a cart and then the assistant director handing one to Baldwin happened before a lunch break, and the shooting happened after lunch. Let the speculation commence.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 12:20 pm to BitBuster
He needs to be arrested.
It is very strange to me that a live round was even on the set. Why would anyone have a live bullet on a job site where the goal was to film someone shooting someone? I am not willing to make any conclusions about murder or manslaughter. That will be up to the jury and DA.
It is very strange to me that a live round was even on the set. Why would anyone have a live bullet on a job site where the goal was to film someone shooting someone? I am not willing to make any conclusions about murder or manslaughter. That will be up to the jury and DA.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 12:22 pm to Hangover Haven
None of this matters, you are responsible for the weapon in your hands.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 12:26 pm to I B Freeman
quote:
It is very strange to me that a live round was even on the set. Why would anyone have a live bullet on a job site where the goal was to film someone shooting someone? I am not willing to make any conclusions about murder or manslaughter. That will be up to the jury and DA.
I am not going to make a conclusion but it looks like her intentionally murdered her. maybe he knocked her up. How in the hell is a live round in the gun on set and in that situation? How is she and the director even in the line of fire? This didn't even happen in the heat of filming? There is more here than we will ever know, it will be covered up.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 12:28 pm to I B Freeman
Listened to NPR driving this morning and there was an armorer from hollywood on, well multiple actually.
A couple of things he confirmed.
1. He shows unloaded weapons to ‘talent’ and shows them the blank
ammo, cleared weapon, and then loads in front of them.
2. He confirmed angles are always used so no excuse to pull a trigger with weapon pointed at someone even crew
3. He doesn’t use term ‘live’ ammo as to him that’s a real bullet. Either a blank or dummy round which is a bullet with no powder.
4. He was asked in hindsight what procedures should be changed and said and I’m paraphrasing ‘none, I don’t do anything dangerous, blanks have been used for 100 years, and it’s super safe when done properly’
5. He absolutely never brings ‘live’ rounds to a set as there’s never a need, it would be dangerous, and has never seen live ammo on a set
He basically said spot kn there were multiple people at fault and multiple standard armorer rules broken for this to happen
A couple of things he confirmed.
1. He shows unloaded weapons to ‘talent’ and shows them the blank
ammo, cleared weapon, and then loads in front of them.
2. He confirmed angles are always used so no excuse to pull a trigger with weapon pointed at someone even crew
3. He doesn’t use term ‘live’ ammo as to him that’s a real bullet. Either a blank or dummy round which is a bullet with no powder.
4. He was asked in hindsight what procedures should be changed and said and I’m paraphrasing ‘none, I don’t do anything dangerous, blanks have been used for 100 years, and it’s super safe when done properly’
5. He absolutely never brings ‘live’ rounds to a set as there’s never a need, it would be dangerous, and has never seen live ammo on a set
He basically said spot kn there were multiple people at fault and multiple standard armorer rules broken for this to happen
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:42 pm to h0bnail
quote:
I hate this d-bag as much as anyone, but how many actors do you think check for live rounds in their weapons on set?
Well, I guess since the majority of vapid, empty-headed actors are negligent with firearms that absolves Baldwin. Good to know...
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:43 pm to baldona
quote:
1. He shows unloaded weapons to ‘talent’ and shows them the blank
ammo, cleared weapon, and then loads in front of them.
That's how it's supposed to work.
A real "armorer" would have.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 1:45 pm to Rambler
quote:
It was reported over the weekend that some of the people on the set were doing target shooting, with real ammo, during breaks.
Looks like major neglect on that site.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:42 pm to Loup
quote:Exactly, it's crazy how many people on here are simping for Alec Baldwin. The guy doesn't care about you one bit and probably looks at you like you're some hick from Middle America.
there is no such thing as an accidental discharge. It is always a negligent discharge.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:10 pm to AlxTgr
quote:
Easily identifiable. Most don't hunt, but got into guns vie video games. Into concealed carry. Freaks out when someone say, "clip". Buys tons of ammo. Says the negligent vs accidental bullshite.
You've either crafted the flimsiest straw man or you're a blithering idiot. Probably both.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:12 pm to shel311
This thread was on page 9 before Noon?
We're gonna solve this Alec Baldwin mystery just like we found Gabby Pieto and Brian Laundrie!
We're gonna solve this Alec Baldwin mystery just like we found Gabby Pieto and Brian Laundrie!
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:18 pm to Hangover Haven
quote:
Authorities said Friday that the assistant director, Dave Halls, had handed the weapon to Baldwin and announced “cold gun,” indicating it was safe to use. When asked about how Baldwin treated firearms on the set, Russell said the actor was very careful, citing an instance when Baldwin made sure a child actor was not near him when a gun was being discharged.
So, here's how this plays out:
- police press charges against assistant director
- assistant director defends himself with a simple "I didnt fire it, nor did I say it was safe to point at and shoot others"
- police drop charges or jury acquits
- Baldwin gets away scotfree
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:25 pm to Hangover Haven
quote:
Thursday in which he was set to draw his gun while sitting in a church pew and point it at the camera.
Point, not fire and shoot someone.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 5:26 pm to Rambler
quote:
It was reported over the weekend that some of the people on the set were doing target shooting, with real ammo, during breaks.
That was my guess as to how this happened. Some of these westerns they just go out to a remote desert and build a fake town. Probably lots of carpenters, electricians and teamsters sitting around in the middle of nowhere getting bored so they decide to kill some down time with target practice. From there it's connect the dots.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 6:54 pm to h0bnail
quote:
how many actors do you think check for live rounds in their weapons on set?
I don't know the total number but I know of one that always did: Clint Eastwood.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 7:01 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
quote:
It’s not gun nuts. It could have been prevented with one action. Check to make sure the gun is unloaded. If using blanks, make sure they are not live rounds. Simple. Quick. And no one is dead.
This overlooked post basically sums it all up here, at least for me.
I'm in Federal law enforcement and I've used blanks for training exercises a few times, and they're not easily mistakable for live rounds. In fact, they're usually color coated on the tip and have a flat front where the projectile on a normal bullet would be.
The person that assumed the gun was clear in this instance didn't even check, or they know nothing about guns or real live rounds. It would be especially easy to check a revolver for blanks vs. live rounds, so I would have to assume the person who "checked" it either didn't look at all, or knows nothing about ammunition.
This would have to be true for Baldwin as well, and because of that he holds SOME responsibility here. On top of that, our training is very very strict about never pointing the barrel at an "innocent" whether blanks or live rounds are loaded. This was the result of carelessness, ignorance, poor prep, poor gun handling, and extremely poor awareness
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 7:07 pm to dgnx6
quote:what the frick was Baldwin doing in a church!!!??
hursday in which he was set to draw his gun while sitting in a church pew and point it at the camera.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 7:33 pm to Ed Osteen
quote:
I don’t care at all about this whole fiasco but this is a fricking great sentence
I mean, everything was going great until Baldwin, you know... shot two people. Other than that, smooth sailing on calm seas
Posted on 10/25/21 at 7:37 pm to h0bnail
quote:
hate this d-bag as much as anyone, but how many actors do you think check fo
I bet a lot more will now.
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