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Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3889 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:15 pm to
Onus of innocence is on the kid not the cop here.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:16 pm to
That trigger happy pig fricked up big time.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:16 pm to
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Also sucks that the perp isnt dead
word. after he heals we should burn him at the stake.
Posted by BatonScrewedTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2017
199 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:17 pm to
If you are attempting to break and enter into a vehicle, shed, home, or any other property that is not your own then you forfeit your life. If they were just around his personal vehicle I could see this being much different. If they were pulling on door handles or breaking his window then they forfeit their lives imo.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19316 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:17 pm to
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I do not think shooting from your house at someone in your driveway is part of the whole “stand your ground thing”.



Except that assumption isn't supported by anything in the article or info available about this incident. If the juveniles confronted the homeowner, that becomes a forcible felony where armed self-defense is perfectly legal. Something you and several others in this thread don't seem to grasp.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:18 pm to
lol, try shooting at some kid pulling door handles and watch what happens to you tough guy
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 1:19 pm
Posted by TheDeathValley
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2010
20467 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:18 pm to
With everything going on in today’s world, I would grab my gun, make sure the door is locked, and call the cops.

If you want the $3 in change in my truck take it. I can replace a truck window, would rather not risk my life (being shot at or going to jail) over it.
Posted by BatonScrewedTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2017
199 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:21 pm to
I intentionally added “imo” at the end. My opinion on what the law SHOULD be does not mean I would break the current law. I’ve had my vehicle broken into because I didnt lock the doors. Would not have pulled the trigger with the current laws
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:23 pm to
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If you are attempting to break and enter into a vehicle, shed, home, or any other property that is not your own then you forfeit your life.




Can you imagine the number of shootings for stealing beer out of truck beds at LSU tailgates?

Kill 'em all!
Posted by USMEagles
Member since Jan 2018
11811 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:24 pm to
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If the juveniles confronted the homeowner, that becomes a forcible felony where armed self-defense is perfectly legal. Something you and several others in this thread don't seem to grasp.




I grasp it, but unless the kids had a gun, how is Johnny Law here going to come up with any evidence that he was menaced or threatened in some real way? It's just as likely, in my estimation, that the kids froze, or even ran when the cop made his appearance. If not then, then certainly they did so when he pulled his gun out.

Maybe Lopinto is holding out on us and one or more of the kids had a gun. Maybe JPSO found a gun and Lopinto smells a "ham sandwich." But it doesn't seem like a clean kill right now.
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
21004 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:28 pm to
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For pulling door handles? You psycho


The frick was this kid doing pulling door handles at 3am?

That's right, he was in a citizens patrol group and was going to send the homeowners with unlocked doors a letter of caution about the crime in the neighborhood.

Not saying the outcome was the proper result but that kid is far from innocent and smart.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134351 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:28 pm to
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Off duty cop shoots would be juvenile burglar
Nowhere in the article you linked does it refer to the kid as a burglar.

Did you just make that up?

It says the kid was walking around the OUTSIDE of the house. No mention of weapons on the kid either.

The off-duty cop way overreacted...
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8682 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:29 pm to
Officer is a white male early 40s.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11318 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:30 pm to
I had a guy that worked for me get arrested for shooting a dog in his driveway/carport. He went inside to get the gun. Police said he was safe inside. That was in Zachary. I think he ended up paying a hefty fine. I know he didn't go to jail. But that was just a mean dog. Can't imagine if it was an unarmed kid..
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
149292 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:30 pm to
Weird melt
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19316 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:31 pm to
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but unless the kids had a gun, how is Johnny Law here going to come up with any evidence that he was menaced or threatened in some real way?



Let me help you out here: go read the applicable laws and show me exactly where the threat must first be armed with a gun (or anything) in order to qualify the forcible felony aspect here. A seventeen-year old punched and killed a referee not too many years ago during a sports event so I'm not sure where you think a threat doesn't exist simply because an individual is unarmed. Maybe you imagine there should be parity of force in self-defense incidents but that's not a rational or intelligent opinion.
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8682 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:42 pm to
One has to reasonably believe he is in imminent danger of being killed or subjected to great bodily harm and that the killing is necessary to save himself.
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 1:44 pm
Posted by bushwacker
youngsville
Member since Feb 2010
4010 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:46 pm to
The perp was 14 years old in someone else's yard at 3am? Where was his daddy? hmmm
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19316 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:52 pm to
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One has to reasonably believe he is in imminent danger of being killed or subjected to great bodily harm and the killing must be necessary to save himself.



First off, the bolded part isn't the standard here. It's imminent danger of being killed OR facing great bodily harm. That's the law in Louisiana and that's the only standard that matters here. Nowhere in the law does it state that those actions have to be acted upon first before acting in self-defense. If an individual or group presents itself as posing such a threat, that's all that's required. If the juveniles in question made any movements to confront the officer, unarmed or otherwise, that is pretty much the line to cross.

And since there are very few details there's nothing to substantiate that the officer wasn't in an imminent threat. There is nothing stating that the juveniles didn't become confrontational and three against one isn't good odds no matter the situation.
This post was edited on 4/19/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
34365 posts
Posted on 4/19/20 at 1:59 pm to
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The kid was in the driveway pulling on door handles.

The guy shot him in the head from the house.

This won’t end well for the cop


No it will not
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