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re: Opinions on modern art
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:18 am to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:18 am to DavidTheGnome
You can always judge a period or culture by their art. What did they value? What was important to them? What qualities in people most appealed to them?
Modern art tells me that though we have made leaps in technology like the world has never imagined, as a society, we have regressed. We are as culturally dead as humanity has ever been. It's embarrassing.
Modern art tells me that though we have made leaps in technology like the world has never imagined, as a society, we have regressed. We are as culturally dead as humanity has ever been. It's embarrassing.
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Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:27 am to DavidTheGnome
Like everything in life," beauty is in the eye of the beholder." If a person is willing to pay 3 million for a painting or photograph, then that piece of art is worth 3 million.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:27 am to DavidTheGnome
This Warholon the right, Four Marlons, went for $69.6 million. Wow, I don't get it.
This post was edited on 10/5/15 at 8:29 am
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:29 am to TigerFanatic99
Some modern art I look at and while not in awe, I respect the talent. It doesn't do anything for me, but I can understand why someone may want to own it.
And then some of it is just awful.
I will say that most of us can't "create" modern art very well. Try it. Yours will look like a child's finger painting. It takes some talent/skill. Why that is devoted to nothingness, I don't know.
And then some of it is just awful.
I will say that most of us can't "create" modern art very well. Try it. Yours will look like a child's finger painting. It takes some talent/skill. Why that is devoted to nothingness, I don't know.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:30 am to DavidTheGnome
I mean I just don't get it. But for the artists making lots of money from it, good for them. Keep on doing your thing.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:31 am to crazy4lsu
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I find art speak way worse than the pieces that people criticize here.
exit through the gift shop, sir
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:33 am to LACountyTiger
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Some people have more money than sense.
But "big name" art increases in value. So it seems like buying a Picasso, Pollack, etc. would make a lot of sense if you had the wherewithal.
This post was edited on 10/5/15 at 8:33 am
Posted on 10/5/15 at 8:48 am to DavidTheGnome
It seems like we have several potential millionaires in this thread if they could just overcome their moral compass and put their artwork in a museum.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:03 am to TigerFanatic99
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You can always judge a period or culture by their art. What did they value? What was important to them? What qualities in people most appealed to them?
Modern art tells me that though we have made leaps in technology like the world has never imagined, as a society, we have regressed. We are as culturally dead as humanity has ever been. It's embarrassing.
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This.
to me, this is art...
To take a blank pievce of canvas, brushes, and paint and make something that looks like that... that takes real artistic talent.
This...
... could be done by any a-hole.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:05 am to Darth_Vader
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could be done by any a-hole.
Why aren't you making at worth millions? It is just that easy.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:13 am to fightin tigers
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Why aren't you making at worth millions? It is just that easy.
Because I'm just some a-hole.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:16 am to DavidTheGnome
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To me the skills involved in creating visual art have by and large been lost, replaced by laziness.
Let's compare art to music. Do you like rock music or classical? Why? The skill involved with something like Beethoven's 5th symphony is greater than Smells like teen Spirit wouldn't you say? Or pop music. That's about a "lazy" as you can get.
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I think that people spend insane amounts of money on Picasso pieces not because they are inherently "good", but just for his name alone and the coolness factor of owning one.
Why do people own a Ferrari? Why do people want their museum designed by Fran Gehry? Why do people pay money for somebody's signature?
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There are some legitimately talented people out there,
Yeah, they're called Picasso, Pollock, and Rothko. It's not like they are some hacks. They pushed the boundaries. They were the rock stars of the art world. Pollock and Rothko studied art at some of the finest art schools.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:23 am to ChineseBandit58
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If I can do it, it is not art.
I hate this idea. Just because something doesn't look hard to paint or draw or create doesn't mean it can't be pleasing. Often times the hardest part of art is coming up with a concept.
I think of visual arts the same way I think of music. There are tons of people who can probably play every Beatles song perfectly. The chords aren't that difficult. That doesn't mean it's not good. Creating it and coming up with something from scratch is the hard part.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 9:25 am to Cdawg
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Let's compare art to music. Do you like rock music or classical? Why? The skill involved with something like Beethoven's 5th symphony is greater than Smells like teen Spirit wouldn't you say? Or pop music. That's about a "lazy" as you can get.
I can't speak for modern music, which 99.9% of it sucks balls and is pure garbage. But as for rock, one of the greatest guitarists of all time was a trained classical musician.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:03 am to Darth_Vader
Some of those "a-hole" artists are classically trained too.
Those "I don't get it" artist typically are at the forefront of the trends of contemporaries in other fields. Architecture, music, dance, literature, etc. in new ways of thought and expression.
Those "I don't get it" artist typically are at the forefront of the trends of contemporaries in other fields. Architecture, music, dance, literature, etc. in new ways of thought and expression.
This post was edited on 10/5/15 at 10:13 am
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:03 am to DavidTheGnome
Art really only has one qualifier: it has to be an expression of creative thought.
I don't have any problem with the state of modern art vs. classical art. Creativity is creativity to me. It's other people who place the price tag on the art.
The best art, in my opinion, are works that make you ask questions, either about yourself, the artist, the medium, the subject, the audience, or the world around you.
Even a question like, "Why is this glob of paint on a canvas worth $4.4 million?" is a valid question to ask. It enhances the experience of art.
Let's break that question down in to more questions:
Who has $4.4 million to spend on this glob of paint? Why?
Why does it matter to me if this is worth $4.4 million?
Why can't I throw a glob of paint on a canvas and make $4.4 million?
Why is the monetary value of this painting its most interesting feature?
How long did the artist work on this?
What will the artist do with the money?
What does it say about the society I live in that I can't appreciate the glob of paint for what it is. Instead, I only care about what it's worth?
We can go on and on... we haven't even talked about the glob itself, what it represents, whether it compares to other globs the artist has done before, or if it's his only glob, etc.
If you're not into it, I get it. I'm just trying to explain it. Sometimes the simplest works elicit the most questions.
The painting an earlier poster put up, of the charging horses... it's awesome. I love it. I would buy it in a second, if I could. But I have less questions about it than the OP's paintings. That doesn't make it any better or worse... just... different. And that's why.
I don't have any problem with the state of modern art vs. classical art. Creativity is creativity to me. It's other people who place the price tag on the art.
The best art, in my opinion, are works that make you ask questions, either about yourself, the artist, the medium, the subject, the audience, or the world around you.
Even a question like, "Why is this glob of paint on a canvas worth $4.4 million?" is a valid question to ask. It enhances the experience of art.
Let's break that question down in to more questions:
Who has $4.4 million to spend on this glob of paint? Why?
Why does it matter to me if this is worth $4.4 million?
Why can't I throw a glob of paint on a canvas and make $4.4 million?
Why is the monetary value of this painting its most interesting feature?
How long did the artist work on this?
What will the artist do with the money?
What does it say about the society I live in that I can't appreciate the glob of paint for what it is. Instead, I only care about what it's worth?
We can go on and on... we haven't even talked about the glob itself, what it represents, whether it compares to other globs the artist has done before, or if it's his only glob, etc.
If you're not into it, I get it. I'm just trying to explain it. Sometimes the simplest works elicit the most questions.
The painting an earlier poster put up, of the charging horses... it's awesome. I love it. I would buy it in a second, if I could. But I have less questions about it than the OP's paintings. That doesn't make it any better or worse... just... different. And that's why.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:18 am to coolpapaboze
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“Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without skill gives us modern art.”
- Tom Stoppard.
That's a great quote.
Yesterday I got sucked into watching 3 or 4 consecutive Bob Ross segments on LPB and that dude is probably looked down upon by the "art community" because his work is so accessible and "proletarian" but his crafstmanship + imagination are incredible.
For all the arguments I've seen concerning the GOAT artists of the 20th century the most important from that period may be Ross just for the insight he gave into not just simply painitng landscapes but for the insight he gives into the artistic process. He helps to remove the artificial mystique that artists like to pretend is involved in art- anyone can do it and anyone can make a masterpiece, given the right conditions/encouragement.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:25 am to ManBearTiger
Just like musicians, it's all about promotion sometimes.
If a highly respected promoter says a pile of dog shite is art, people will fall all over it. The best product doesn't always get the credit it deserves
If a highly respected promoter says a pile of dog shite is art, people will fall all over it. The best product doesn't always get the credit it deserves
This post was edited on 10/5/15 at 10:26 am
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:25 am to fightin tigers
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Why aren't you making at worth millions? It is just that easy.
Pieces like that have little to do with artistic talent and a lot to do with connections and the artist building a cult of personality. It's about the artist embodying some intangible "bohemian" value much more than the actual content of the work.
People saying they could make pieces like these are correct.
People saying "why aren't you a millionaire" are misattributing the appeal from collectors.
Posted on 10/5/15 at 10:26 am to lsufan112001
Modern art and music always achieve their goal as soon as they are questioned and criticized. One's mind is forced to expand even as it casts doubt. It's a funny irony that the rejection always exposes the limits of that intellect.
The greatest gift that it gives us is it's unique ability to expose both the limits of comprehension at one end AND blind pretentiousness on the other. It lays everybody bare. How is that not awesome?
The greatest gift that it gives us is it's unique ability to expose both the limits of comprehension at one end AND blind pretentiousness on the other. It lays everybody bare. How is that not awesome?
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