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re: Roe v Wade officially overturned
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:07 pm to SoonerK
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:07 pm to SoonerK
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That Thomas brought up Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell and somehow failed to lump in Loving?
Loving was decided solely on the basis of equal protection. Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell were all decided, in part, on substantive due process. Thomas does not believe that the substantive due process clause creates any of the rights on which these decisions were based. Thomas has not said anything about the equal protections clause.
You're just not intelligent enough to understand what Thomas is arguing for.
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Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:08 pm to Packer
Fostercare is not the same as adoption. Legally.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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They are conflating early delivery with abortion
Abortion is intentionally terminating the life of the baby. That is the goal.
Early delivery is ending the pregnancy early and then doing everything you can to save the baby
I want to know, and be specific, why the baby can’t be delivered and saved? How does the act of killing the baby save the mother?
Maybe you can reach out to Stacey Beck, MD and Assistant Professor at the Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences, Maternal Fetal Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh Physicians. Why are there exceptions for life of the mother in every state that has abortion restrictions?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:08 pm to SoonerK
In everyone of those cases, besides the cancer argument, the protocol when the condition becomes potential fatal, is the delivery of the baby. There is nothing gained by aborting the fetus before delivery.
Some of those babies will not survive due to being premature but that it’s a wholly separate issue.
Some of those babies will not survive due to being premature but that it’s a wholly separate issue.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:11 pm to Darth_Vader
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So would you support a law that made all abortion illegal other than for rape or incest?
This is what I want with the exception of life threatening complications for the mother from pregnancy. Let her decide.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:11 pm to sabes que
How about if you want to receive federal entitlement payments you must undergo sterilization? There is no constitutional right to either handout payments or childbirth. Make a decision, money or kids. Certainly you can't be opposed to a simple surgical procedure when your side has been supporting infanticide for half a century.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:11 pm to SoonerK
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Maybe you can reach out to Stacey Beck, MD and Assistant Professor at the Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences, Maternal Fetal Medicine at the University of Pittsburgh Physicians. Why are there exceptions for life of the mother in every state that has abortion restrictions?
I have just as much education as Stacey, I don’t need to talk to her.
Maybe you could think for yourself?
You are talking about inducing delivery to save a mother. That’s not abortion. I bet 9/10 wives of husbands here had their deliveries intentionally induced. Most probably before their due date. Why don’t we call that an abortion? Because we take the baby out and we put it in an incubator not a trash can.
I want to know why if a woman has an infection the baby can’t be emergently delivered and placed in an incubator instead of a trash can
I’ll tell you why, because their goal is to kill the baby so that they don’t have to care for it. That’s why you have an abortion not an emergent delivery.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:13 pm to Antonio Moss
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In everyone of those cases, besides the cancer argument, the protocol when the condition becomes potential fatal, is the delivery of the baby. There is nothing gained by aborting the fetus before delivery. Some of those babies will not survive due to being premature but that it’s a wholly separate issue.
I’m glad someone else here gets it.
It’s fairly straightforward.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:14 pm to Antonio Moss
Even with the cancer issue, preemptively killing the baby to protect the baby from chemotherapy is a laughable excuse 
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:15 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Seems pretty fkucking easy to me to write a law like that. Bunch of skyscreamers on both sides. I don't think it should be state's rights either. Y'all have fun I'm going fishing.
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:16 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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Seems pretty fkucking easy to me to write a law like that.
that is exactly what most of these anti abortion laws are
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:17 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
But plenty of things are federally. Let’s say a state decided to ban alcohol, would you be in favor of that?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:19 pm to sabes que
If the people voted for it, sure
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:19 pm to sabes que
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Let’s say a state decided to ban alcohol, would you be in favor of that?
the citizens of that state voted to ban alcohol, yes
I'd fricking hate it as a citizen and probably move, but smaller, more local government is always more favorable than a larger, centralized government
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:20 pm to beebefootballfan
I will be interested is seeing how this plays out, especially since, as always, the state legislatures in their rabid zeal found the people that know the very least about the subject to write the laws.
Several unintended consequences coming our way.
I will be most interested in seeing if there ends up being a population shift between states which allow it and don't. Some of these laws are so very poorly researched and written, far fewer OB-GYNs are going to want to practice in these states, especially the younger ones, regardless of whether they perform abortions. This would in all likelihood eventually mean worse pre-natal care and increased maternal mortality for the women who initially decide to remain. Which leads to the question of population shift. Why settle in a state where this will be a problem versus another state where it is one less thing you have to worry about?
Several unintended consequences coming our way.
I will be most interested in seeing if there ends up being a population shift between states which allow it and don't. Some of these laws are so very poorly researched and written, far fewer OB-GYNs are going to want to practice in these states, especially the younger ones, regardless of whether they perform abortions. This would in all likelihood eventually mean worse pre-natal care and increased maternal mortality for the women who initially decide to remain. Which leads to the question of population shift. Why settle in a state where this will be a problem versus another state where it is one less thing you have to worry about?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:20 pm to Salmon
Not everyone has the means to just up and move to a different state, some things need to be federally protected
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:21 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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Fostercare is not the same as adoption. Legally.
Any states you know that you can outright just adopt a child? Or do you need to foster them first?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:21 pm to PassingThrough
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Some of these laws are so very poorly researched and written, far fewer OB-GYNs are going to want to practice in these states, especially the younger ones, regardless of whether they perform abortions. This would in all likelihood eventually mean worse pre-natal care and increased maternal mortality for the women who initially decide to remain. Which leads to the question of population shift.
Holy hyperbole Batman
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:22 pm to sabes que
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Not everyone has the means to just up and move to a different state, some things need to be federally protected
what if I disagree with the federal laws and I don't have the means to move to a different country?
what about me then?
Posted on 6/24/22 at 12:22 pm to SoFla Tideroller
I’ve been for vasectomies for all males on federal assistance for a while now.
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