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re: Rolex Submariner or Omega Seamaster?
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:33 pm to cave canem
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:33 pm to cave canem
Does the seiko have sapphire?
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Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:34 pm to Obtuse1
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As I mentioned I let the ones that don't hack wind down and pull the stems to stop the ones that hack.
Can you expand on this please?. I have a modest collection started with a Rolex Sub, a Mont Blanc Meisterstuck, a custom built tool watch from a Seiko case and a couple of cheaper watches. I bought an auto winder for the first three under the impression it would keep them wound so that I could just pull them out of the winder and wear them but I find they have stopped when I take them out. Is that not the purpose of the winder? If I pull the stems then I miss the point because I still have to set them every time I take them out. Am I doing it wrong?
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:34 pm to Obtuse1
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I want a stardust dial/ghost bezel in the worst way.
It’s funny how people put a fancy name on an imperfection and command a premium price for it like “stardust dial or spiderweb dial”. But that is a cool look.
Last time I talked with Jacek at HQ Milton out in San Francisco he had a stardust 5513. If you are interested in one give him a call.
I’ve followed your posts and it sounds like you have had some great watches over the years.
Good point about taking pictures with the watch on. I bought my son a birth year Rolex when he graduated high school and I make a point of photographing him with it on during vacations or special events. One day his kids or grandkids will look back on those photos and gain an appreciation for the history of the watch.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:50 pm to Obtuse1
My father has a Rolex that I think is called the “El Presidente” or something like that. It’s from the late 70s. It’s dark yellow gold and says “Oyster Perpetual Day Date” on the bezel. It has diamonds where all the numbers would be. Anyone know what those are worth?
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:51 pm to jflsufan
Your phone has a clock so you don't need a watch.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:53 pm to Cooter Davenport
Day dates are called presidents. New ones are $30-40k
Posted on 4/29/18 at 11:08 pm to cave canem
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Please share any advantage you feel any Rolex has over a sub $200 Seiko SKX other than cachet.
Great and fair question.
First the SKX is a great watch for the money, period.
The Rolex will do the basic function of a watch better. It will keep more accurate time. A current Rolex 3255 is +/-2 seconds per day where a Seiko 7S26 is going to vary greatly, some will run +/- 3-4 seconds and some will be over +/= 25 SPD. On average they are around +15 SPD. This is somewhat moot since a $15 Walmart watch will keep better time and a good thermocompensated HAQ quartz will be under 10 SPY (second per year). As an aside the best time keeping analog watch I have (or ever had) is a Seiko 8F56 in a Milemarker. It is a perpetual calendar and when I changed the battery at 11 years it had gained 127 seconds in that time, AMAZING. Shame they discontinued that movement. So the Rolex will keep much better time on average than the 7S26 one has to wonder if it really matters. The 7S26 is a movement few even bother to service, run it until it drops and either replace the movement or the whole watch, nothing wrong with that if it works.
The build quality of the two is light years apart. The bracelet on the SKX is poor even at the price point, the Sub has arguably the best bracelet on any sports watch. Everything about the Sub oozes quality as if it was cut from a single block of 904L steel. Does it matter, only the individual can decide. Little details like mis-aligned chapter rings are rampant in lower end Seikos. The Seiko has a mineral glass crystal (Hardlex) vs sapphire though you will get someone to argue mineral glass is better due to shock resistance. I have some Harlex crystals that are seriously gouged up, only ever chipped the edge of a sapphire crystal and that is very rare.
For the VAST majority of people the Rolex juice is not worth the squeeze never mind something like Lange or Patek but some people enjoy well-made items, even when the extra quality comes with a high price tag.
Since with looks, de gustibus non est disputandum applies the only demonstrable advantages are better time keeping and better fit and finish. One could also make a case for the cost of ownership over say 20 years and without the opportunity cost of money the Rolex would win but depending on average returns for that the Seiko would probably beat it. Now if you bought a Rolex 5513 and a Seiko 6309 in the late 60's the Rolex would have a much lower cost of ownership.
It is a hard argument that the Sub is 35 times better than a SKX, but quality and price are rarely linear. Most everyone has something in life they pay a lot more for quality than other cheaper options, it is just particularly glaring with watches.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 11:18 pm to Clint Torres
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Day dates are called presidents. New ones are $30-40k
Technically the bracelet is called the President bracelet but often you do see Day Date watches called President or Presidential since the bracelet is reserved for Day Dates and a very few other precious metal watches, primarily women's gold DateJust models IIRC.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 11:19 pm to Obtuse1
The question is though will people even wear analog/mechanical watches in 20 years, will it be the 8 track or vinyl of men's arm jewelry?
Hasn’t that already happened? I don’t know anyone that wears a watch.
Hasn’t that already happened? I don’t know anyone that wears a watch.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 11:22 pm to jbgleason
To use a winder or not is a contentious question. For a 3-4 watch collection of automatics, I say use winders, it makes things easy. My choice of no winders is based on the cost of all the winders I would need and the fact the watches would sit running for 2 months without ever being on my wrist. Do what works for you and don't sweat the incremental service costs.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 11:28 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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The question is though will people even wear analog/mechanical watches in 20 years, will it be the 8 track or vinyl of men's arm jewelry?
Hasn’t that already happened? I don’t know anyone that wears a watch.
Interestingly enough the mechanical watch market has soared over the last couple of decades, they make more money now that ever before. They do trend up and down each year in all the different world markets but there are a ton of them being sold, more watches to a smaller group of enthusiasts. That's where my 8 Track vs vinyl analogy comes in. Optical discs and now streaming should have killed vinyl but high-quality turntables of all prices are more available now than ever before and while CD sales are plummeting vinyl just keeps building steam. Rolex is making more watches than ever as well as most of the strong brands and micro-brands are exploding left and right.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 11:31 pm to Obtuse1
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Most everyone has something in life they pay a lot more for quality than other cheaper options, it is just particularly glaring with watches.
Agreed and it is not really my position to care what others spend their money on, I just can think of no other produt where smart people pay such extravagant premiums for such a incremental bump in performance.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:07 am to cave canem
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Agreed and it is not really my position to care what others spend their money on, I just can think of no other produt where smart people pay such extravagant premiums for such a incremental bump in performance.
Actually, there are quite a few products like that, basically every Veblen good.
While women wear expensive watches also a great example is women's purses. The classic example is the Hermes Birkin, the bags run from $12K up over a quarter of a million dollars, have a LONG waiting list and sell all they care to make. Vintage ones command excellent prices. Lets not even discuss their silk scarves.
Christian Lacroix will sell you a $1,000 plus tie.
Brioni will happily sell you a $40K suit and that won't get you in the door for a high end Kiton or Westmancott.
Spirits such as Whisky, wine and Champagne see the same pricing scales.
Take a look at the price for an Eames Lounge chair and compare the prices of the knockoffs.
There are literally tons of examples and if we all lived in Monaco we would trip over it everyday.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:24 am to Obtuse1
Where is a good place to buy vintage watches ?
Posted on 4/30/18 at 12:52 am to djangochained
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Where is a good place to buy vintage watches ?
First inclination is to say eBay, but that is the domain of the hobbyist (or should be), you need to know what you want, know what you are looking at, know what questions to ask, how to use those answers et al to vet the seller, be willing to burden risk and have contacts to service/repair vintage watches, especially if they aren't Omega, Rolex or one of the high end brands.
For someone in the ~$700 up that fancies vintage watches but doesn't want to get a PhD and basically wants something cool to wear that they don't have to worry about working I would suggest Second Time Around Watch Company. Most have recent services and come with a warranty. Yeah, the watch nerds will scream "overpriced" but the average person can get a solid watch with no worries without spending a year researching and searching for that bargain that makes Second Time's watches look a little overpriced.
If you want to stay under $500 or even a lot lower then the sales area on watch forums like Watchuseek often has guys selling of several vintage watches, some of these guys literally have hundreds and have to flip to buy more. WUS also has a vintage forum and the WUS guys are almost always nice (outside the battles in the Public Forum Like Rolex vs Omega, Grand Seiko vs whatever) and could help steer you.
The other option is a modern vintage inspired watch which there are more of every day, from Micros to the old gaurd companies.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 1:06 am to Obtuse1
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Actually, there are quite a few products like that, basically every Veblen good.
While women wear expensive watches also a great example is women's purses. The classic example is the Hermes Birkin, the bags run from $12K up over a quarter of a million dollars, have a LONG waiting list and sell all they care to make. Vintage ones command excellent prices. Lets not even discuss their silk scarves.
Christian Lacroix will sell you a $1,000 plus tie.
Brioni will happily sell you a $40K suit and that won't get you in the door for a high end Kiton or Westmancott.
Spirits such as Whisky, wine and Champagne see the same pricing scales.
Take a look at the price for an Eames Lounge chair and compare the prices of the knockoffs.
There are literally tons of examples and if we all lived in Monaco we would trip over it everyday.
While true none of those are moving a million plus units a year and are truly the purview of the rich and famous, some of the folks I see dropping 10 grand+ on watches puzzle me a bit.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 2:14 am to cave canem
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While true none of those are moving a million plus units a year and are truly the purview of the rich and famous, some of the folks I see dropping 10 grand+ on watches puzzle me a bit.
Well, you are significantly changing the discussion. It is all a matter of priorities. Some people are always going to spend a lot of money on something they care about, even if it isn't going to make Dave Ramsey happy. I know guys with well over 10 grand in guns, knives, stereo speakers, RC cars, tools etc. Not to mention guys with $100k in a bass or bay boat with thousands more in rods/reels and tackle and fish a dozen weekends a year. A hundred grand boat 10 years ago will be worth maybe 30k today, a dozen Rolex watches bought new for $100k ten years ago are probably worth near that today. The constant price increases from companies positioned like Rolex keep the secondary market high.
I am not suggesting watches are a good investment but the average OTer and/or baw spends a lot of money on things that are not necessary and depreciate like a rock. Plus quality mechanical watches can literally last over 100 years if maintained and are something still considered nice to pass down to the next generation. While I think it is cheesy Patek had a generations ad campaign with the consistent tag line "You never actually own a Patek Phillipe you merely look after it for the next generation.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 5:36 am to Obtuse1
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Well, you are significantly changing the discussion. It is all a matter of priorities. Some people are always going to spend a lot of money on something they care about, even if it isn't going to make Dave Ramsey happy. I know guys with well over 10 grand in guns, knives, stereo speakers, RC cars, tools etc. Not to mention guys with $100k in a bass or bay boat with thousands more in rods/reels and tackle and fish a dozen weekends a year. A hundred grand boat 10 years ago will be worth maybe 30k today, a dozen Rolex watches bought new for $100k ten years ago are probably worth near that today. The constant price increases from companies positioned like Rolex keep the secondary market high.
Your missing my point entirely, there is not someone selling another different brand new boat comperably equipped and .2 mph slower for $1500 down the street.
Posted on 4/30/18 at 6:11 am to SoFla Tideroller
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Hasn’t that already happened? I don’t know anyone that wears a watch.
Does everyone you know wear cargo shorts?
Posted on 4/30/18 at 6:44 am to jflsufan
That style Rolex does nothing for me. It’s the Yukon Denali of watches. I’d have to at least get the green bezel. Much prefer the sailing Rolex (can’t recall the name) though.
IMV Omega is a strong choice from a brand perspective. Decent cache and it doesn’t send the signal that you are trying too hard.
IMV Omega is a strong choice from a brand perspective. Decent cache and it doesn’t send the signal that you are trying too hard.
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