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Posted on 2/24/22 at 10:57 pm to N2daWild
Ukrainian leaders are corrupt to the dime. Sound familiar?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:03 pm to Havoc
Are you 12 with your immature name calling?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:16 pm to Nynna11
quote:you take a wrong turn and accidentally ended up here? You have to be new here
Are you 12 with your immature name calling?
Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:16 pm to Nynna11
Great response. Pound sand fool.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:23 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Oh ok since we are playing make believe let’s throw out a different scenario…
He leaves his wife and child in a warzone and they get raped and slaughtered by an invading army.
You do you. I know exactly what I would do. I’m not leaving that country without my child. And if for some reason we are separated I would fight and claw my way back in to get them out. Nothing would stop me.
That response is lame and completely and utterly devoid of reality. You can do fantasy bullshite world if you want. What I wrote is reality or close to it. You’re spouting like some Liam Neeson movie
Tell me about your specialized skill set next. Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:32 pm to Havoc
quote:
Okay so let’s apply laws and protocols here just for arguments sake.
He physically grabs the kid, wife tries to stop him and a scuffle ensues. Wife calls the cops and claim domestic abuse. He is arrested, all his firearms are seized and he’ll be in jail for a bit. When he gets out there will be a restraining order in place and his wife will have custody of the child pending whatever comes next.
So exactly what did you fricking accomplish?
Let me get this straight.... You think an American judge would punish him for taking his infant out of a war zone? Doubt he has any firearms in Ukraine...
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:49 pm to Tigerlaff
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Let me get this straight.... You think an American judge would punish him for taking his infant out of a war zone? Doubt he has any firearms in Ukraine..
Okay how do you think most non-Muslim law enforcement entities would respond to a father trying to forcibly take a baby from the mother? Especially if the mother is shrewd enough to claim abuse.
Posted on 2/24/22 at 11:53 pm to Havoc
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Okay how do you think most non-Muslim law enforcement entities would respond to a father trying to forcibly take a baby from the mother? Especially if the mother is shrewd enough to claim abuse.
Who cares what law enforcement does once he gets home? The cops don't decide custody arrangements. A judge would hear that he forcibly removed an infant American citizen from an active war zone and say "yep, that was in the best interest of the child since the alternative was... uhh... possible death.
Eta: oh and OP, BIG fricking mistake not taking the advice offered to you. Hope you get away with this incredible lapse in judgment and nothing happens to your baby.
This post was edited on 2/24/22 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 2/25/22 at 12:16 am to Tigerlaff
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an active war zone
It wasn’t an active war zone at that time. It was as an area where another country’s troops had been stationed for nearly a year. So would a Ukrainian judge have let the father take a baby from the mother?
Posted on 2/25/22 at 5:16 am to Havoc
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That response is lame and completely and utterly devoid of reality. You can do fantasy bull shite world if you want. What I wrote is reality or close to it. You’re spouting like some Liam Neeson movie Tell me about your specialized skill set next. ReplyOptionsTop up vote1down vote1 Posted by Tigerlaff on 2/24/2
Huh?
I’m not talking about killing anyone. I would fly back to Europe, rent a car, and go find them. Or at least die trying. Why is that so unusual to you? Do you have kids?
Leaving them in a warzone and saying “well I left, good luck with vlad, I hope a bomb doesn’t fall on your head or you get murdered in the street” isn’t a fricking option unless you are just some complete pussy.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 6:48 am to Honkus
Dude we remember thread from 2009. I think the thread of 2020 will be remembered at least until the pandemic ends.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 11:02 am to N2daWild
Posted on 2/25/22 at 11:38 am to WaWaWeeWa
WaWaWeeWa, emotionally I think we are on the same wavelength but unfortunately what Havoc is telling you about my situation is more my reality.
Lets replay this. I'm in Ukraine the night before I'm supposed to fly out and I am feeling very uncomfortable leaving my family in a POSSIBLE war zone. Russian troops have been massing in force on the Ukrainian border for almost a year. The people in Ukraine are telling me not to believe the American media, there is no chance we go to war. If you walk down the street there is no feeling of a looming war. I am down to $80 in my checking. I have important Doctors appointments for my heart as I am no longer working and trying to get a disability retirement. Then I would have to meet with Lawyers after the Doctors. As an American I am not allowed to stay in Ukraine for more than 3 months out of a 6 Month period without a visa, which I do not have. The original plan was for me to fly back to the states in Feb and return in June and the fly back together in Sep. The wife was going to stay to get crowns, IVF and spend time with her sister and new nephew as they were going to be visiting from Russia.
Many, many reason for me to get on that plane. Still I did not feel comfortable leaving my family for something that could POSSIBLY happen. I got on TD to hopefully get some sound advice. Most people told me to get my family out of there or take the baby in leave the wife. Those were not realistic options for me. I didn't marry a little scared girl. I married a 33 year old Physician from Ukraine who I respect enough to make her own decisions. I would never tell my wife "I'm the man and you are going to do as I say". I'm not her Daddy, I'm her husband. To think I could take the baby out of Ukraine when she didn't agree is not realistic either as Havoc pointed out. I had one decision to make "Should I leave Ukraine". Considering my obligations in the states, my financial situation at the time, the fact that I didn't think Putin was stupid enough to invade and the fact that I most likely would make the situation for my wife worse by staying. They would not like the fact she was harboring an American. I decided to leave, right or wrong. I said before, if I knew Russia would invade for sure, I would have stayed.
There are people on this thread that have genuine concern and compassion for my situation. It also turned out to be good way to burn some nervous energy talking about a subject that wouldn't leave my mind. Then you have people on here telling me I'm not a man, name calling myself and my wife, telling me my marriage sucks. It is hard for me to imagine what kind of horrible person says these things to a person going through what I am going through. The truth is, it only reflects the kind of individuals they are to have those thoughts in their hearts.
I am like WaWaWeeWa now and my first thoughts when I heard Russia actually invaded was to get back to them. I immediately started working on my visa and looking for plane tickets. The reality is sinking in, that it will probably be impossible to reach them right now.
I spoke to my wife about a hour ago. The bombing is getting closer, about 2 miles away. Her parents are still going to work as physicians. The IVF clinic in Kiev is still open and operational believe it or not. Unless they shut down that clinic, my wife won't leave. She will literally risk her life to have a second baby. As of now her sister in Russia will not be allowed to visit. So if the IVF shuts down, she will wait for them to reopen or she will come back to the states.
For those of who giving your support and prayers, thank you. If anyone has advice on how I can get to my family I would appreciate it. For those of who that just want to criticize myself and my wife. Look into your heart first and ask yourself what kind of person you are before you shite on someone going through what I am going through. If you think it makes you look tough or smart because you can tell these people on this thread how wise and macho you are, I feel sorry for you.
Lets replay this. I'm in Ukraine the night before I'm supposed to fly out and I am feeling very uncomfortable leaving my family in a POSSIBLE war zone. Russian troops have been massing in force on the Ukrainian border for almost a year. The people in Ukraine are telling me not to believe the American media, there is no chance we go to war. If you walk down the street there is no feeling of a looming war. I am down to $80 in my checking. I have important Doctors appointments for my heart as I am no longer working and trying to get a disability retirement. Then I would have to meet with Lawyers after the Doctors. As an American I am not allowed to stay in Ukraine for more than 3 months out of a 6 Month period without a visa, which I do not have. The original plan was for me to fly back to the states in Feb and return in June and the fly back together in Sep. The wife was going to stay to get crowns, IVF and spend time with her sister and new nephew as they were going to be visiting from Russia.
Many, many reason for me to get on that plane. Still I did not feel comfortable leaving my family for something that could POSSIBLY happen. I got on TD to hopefully get some sound advice. Most people told me to get my family out of there or take the baby in leave the wife. Those were not realistic options for me. I didn't marry a little scared girl. I married a 33 year old Physician from Ukraine who I respect enough to make her own decisions. I would never tell my wife "I'm the man and you are going to do as I say". I'm not her Daddy, I'm her husband. To think I could take the baby out of Ukraine when she didn't agree is not realistic either as Havoc pointed out. I had one decision to make "Should I leave Ukraine". Considering my obligations in the states, my financial situation at the time, the fact that I didn't think Putin was stupid enough to invade and the fact that I most likely would make the situation for my wife worse by staying. They would not like the fact she was harboring an American. I decided to leave, right or wrong. I said before, if I knew Russia would invade for sure, I would have stayed.
There are people on this thread that have genuine concern and compassion for my situation. It also turned out to be good way to burn some nervous energy talking about a subject that wouldn't leave my mind. Then you have people on here telling me I'm not a man, name calling myself and my wife, telling me my marriage sucks. It is hard for me to imagine what kind of horrible person says these things to a person going through what I am going through. The truth is, it only reflects the kind of individuals they are to have those thoughts in their hearts.
I am like WaWaWeeWa now and my first thoughts when I heard Russia actually invaded was to get back to them. I immediately started working on my visa and looking for plane tickets. The reality is sinking in, that it will probably be impossible to reach them right now.
I spoke to my wife about a hour ago. The bombing is getting closer, about 2 miles away. Her parents are still going to work as physicians. The IVF clinic in Kiev is still open and operational believe it or not. Unless they shut down that clinic, my wife won't leave. She will literally risk her life to have a second baby. As of now her sister in Russia will not be allowed to visit. So if the IVF shuts down, she will wait for them to reopen or she will come back to the states.
For those of who giving your support and prayers, thank you. If anyone has advice on how I can get to my family I would appreciate it. For those of who that just want to criticize myself and my wife. Look into your heart first and ask yourself what kind of person you are before you shite on someone going through what I am going through. If you think it makes you look tough or smart because you can tell these people on this thread how wise and macho you are, I feel sorry for you.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 12:08 pm to N2daWild
Dude. I am praying for you and your family. This is a situation that I hope no one has to be in. I was worried about getting to my family in 2016 flood here on Louisiana, and only made it to them about 20 Minutes before they closed the last bridge I could have taken. I couldn't imagine the amount of stress and anxiety I would have had if we were across the globe from each other. Hang tight and pray it gets better. This may be over in a few days or it may take months.
I was the one who originally suggested to you to take your life story from the Rant to the OT. I have been following all your posts. Please don't let some assholes deter you from talking to us and sharing your story. God Bless you and your family.
I was the one who originally suggested to you to take your life story from the Rant to the OT. I have been following all your posts. Please don't let some assholes deter you from talking to us and sharing your story. God Bless you and your family.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 12:11 pm to N2daWild
If this hasn’t been discussed, What is your wife’s family and friends’ view of the Russians invading? Your sister in law is in Russia already. Are they ok with it or are they preparing to fight? Putin claims a lot of that area is Russian anyway and welcome the invasion.
Prayers for your family’s safety. Ignore the idiots in this thread. If you read the whole thing it’s obvious there was/is no easy solution. I have a friend married to a Ukrainian and they tried to get her parents out last week but they refused to leave too, even though they had a good opportunity.
Prayers for your family’s safety. Ignore the idiots in this thread. If you read the whole thing it’s obvious there was/is no easy solution. I have a friend married to a Ukrainian and they tried to get her parents out last week but they refused to leave too, even though they had a good opportunity.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 2/25/22 at 12:12 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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He can take his fricking kid and leave. It’s not that hard. In fact, a better question would be how is she going to stop him?
I hear what you're saying. But are you really prepared to beat your wife's arse in this type of situation. We know women are prepared to die over there children. So if the wife is adamant that the child stays with her, she's going to punch, nutkick, scratch, etc. Depending on the level of crazy for the women, she may even pull out a knife or a gun. So in order to simply take the kid and leave as you put it, you would have to physically fight her with force.
This isn't something where a simple strong stern voice from you will resolve.
Personally, I know for a fact I don't have what it takes to physically put hands on my wife to harm her. Call me weak if you'd like, I'm just being honest.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 12:29 pm to sportsaddit68
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made it to them about 20 Minutes before they closed the last bridge
Thanks for the support. I'm finding out that the bridge is already closed and it is very unlikely I could make it to my family. I shouldn't have left. I made the wrong decision.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 12:37 pm to N2daWild
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Thanks for the support. I'm finding out that the bridge is already closed and it is very unlikely I could make it to my family. I shouldn't have left. I made the wrong decision.
Don't do that. Don't play the what if game. You made the best decision you could at the time. You don't know the future. This invasion could have never happened. Or you could have died on the plane ride back to the states. No one knows what is in store for us. Stop beating yourself up.
Let's use what you do know. Is their any country around Ukraine you can fly to and then drive into the Ukraine? I'm not asking about driving directly to your wife. I talking about first getting into the country. Then you could possibly have your wife meet you somewhere. No way Russia has every road into the country blocked yet, right?
Posted on 2/25/22 at 12:39 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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What is your wife’s family and friends’ view of the Russians invading?
They don't get too mixed up in politics but they are Pro-Russian. They never supported the revolt in 2014 and the economy has just worsened since 2014. Most factories are closed and cost of living up. In Lisichansk the majority would not be against being under a puppet Russian regime like they were in 2014. I don't expect them to take up arms, which make things a lot safer for my family. Kiev will take up arms and they will die for it. Unfortunately, I know quite a few of her relatives in Kiev and Kharkiv. The sister in Russia believes the Russian propaganda that they feed them. Of course she doesn't support the invasion, no one does, but they believe it to be in principle correct.
This is the absurd thing. The West will support Ukraine's right to join any alliance (NATO) they so choose, but they won't let them join the alliance. Zelensky has point blank asked them if they will let them join NATO and they won't answer. Sadly they are dying for the right and freedom to join NATO, the West supports that right but they won't let them join. Simply put Putin is willing to go to war and the West is not. Ukrainians will die for a principle they can't achieve.
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