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Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:39 am to tduecen
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Undoubtedly, King deserves much praise. He spearheaded a noble movement that eventually achieved true justice and individual freedoms for blacks in the segregated South. Today, it is hard to imagine the intense level of racial hatred and institutionalized discrimination blacks faced on a daily basis. Voting rights were denied. Lynching was common. Economic opportunities were meager. They were systematically segregated, forced to live in impoverished neighborhoods, attend inferior schools, sit at separate lunch counters and ride at the back of the bus. Kids could not even purchase an ice cream cone from white vendors. Jim Crow was a form of apartheid, an official system of racial subjugation.
It took more than a decade but the civil rights movement finally succeeded in abolishing this moral abomination. Many activists - blacks and whites - suffered and died because of their noble convictions. As its leader, King justifiably achieved international fame. His finest hour was his “I Have a Dream” speech. He championed black integration and a color-blind society. His message was a powerful and simple one: People should be judged by the content of their character, not skin color.
Yet, there was a dark side to King and it should not be ignored. Its effects continue to plague our society. Contrary to popular myth, the Baptist minister was a hypocrite who consistently failed to uphold his professed Christian standards. His rampant adultery and serial, life-long womanizing revolted even some of his closest associates. Large parts of his doctoral dissertation were plagiarized. He had numerous ties with communists and Soviet sympathizers. Then-FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover knew this, which is why he considered King a “fraud.”
Moreover, King was a radical leftist. He promoted socialism, pacifism and the appeasement of totalitarian communism. He opposed the Vietnam War and even openly supported the Viet Cong and North Vietnam’s Marxist dictator Ho Chi Minh, praising them as anti-imperialists battling Western occupying powers. Yet, these Soviet-backed communists would eventually impose a murderous police state upon the Vietnamese. King embraced the 1960s New Left’s hatred of America. In their eyes, the United States was an evil empire driven by white oppression, militarism and capitalist exploitation. King openly promoted the anti-colonial “liberation” movements engulfing the Third World. For example, he defended Ghanaian strongman Kwame Nkrumah, excusing his authoritarian rule and forced nationalization.
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King would get the Dem nomination in the current state we are in
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:39 am to Lsupimp
quote:No chance. That's the third rail. The leaders on the left would shut that down quickly.
That being the case, his reputation (is) will be destroyed from the "tolerant" Left
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:40 am to tduecen
Viewing history through a modern lens is always a mistake, and people know it deep down. They won’t stop doing it in the “woke” society where common actions and common sense are condemned, though.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:42 am to High C
I don't disagree but now we teach kids of what a bad mAn Columbus was because he enslaved natives and brutAlly assaulted them. Instead of really teaching on how he opened westward expansion and trade. Will MLK eventually be viewed through that same lens?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:43 am to tduecen
Isn't that how he is viewed now? As an important leader in the civil rights movement?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:44 am to tduecen
MLK will never be viewed as anything less than a saint of the highest order. Anyone that even questions his life will be dismissed or destroyed.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:45 am to upgrayedd
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MLK will never be viewed as anything less than a saint of the highest order.
So?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:46 am to fightin tigers
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The issue being that Hoover's FBI is responsible for most of the information.
Dude probably fricked around, not surprising.
I was talking about the author, not MLK.
If any MLK historian is equipped to weigh the validity of the FBI file evidence, it would be the historian/author who had spent the majority of his adult life studying MLK. Add to that the fact that he was already successful and accomplished beyond what most historians/history authors will ever know prior to the publishing of his latest book, and it shows he has little reason to bash MLK without merit.
Prior to the release of the book, the author was heralded as a leading MLK expert. This new information cannot just be dismissed as the conspiratorial ramblings of some racist nobody.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:48 am to fightin tigers
He is, however, like I started we are now teaching the Columbus was a horrible man and the good he did doesn't outweigh the bad.
Same with Washington as we are teaching about how he owned slaves and Lee how he fought for the South and thus making him bad.
Knowing what we know about MLK now shouldn't that change if we are forced to alter our teaching on some individuals in history as we learn more about their views should all individuals receive the same treatment.
Same with Washington as we are teaching about how he owned slaves and Lee how he fought for the South and thus making him bad.
Knowing what we know about MLK now shouldn't that change if we are forced to alter our teaching on some individuals in history as we learn more about their views should all individuals receive the same treatment.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:48 am to upgrayedd
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Anyone that even questions his life will be dismissed or destroyed.
John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of MLK
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:49 am to tduecen
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I don't disagree but now we teach kids of what a bad mAn Columbus was because he enslaved natives and brutAlly assaulted them
Personally, I try to teach a balanced version of Columbus.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:49 am to The Spleen
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Didn't think it'd take until lunch to get the first "actually MLK was bad" threads.
does he not fit the exact bill of the type of person leftists generally want to run down? Did some good shite but wasn't 100% "progressive enough." I wonder why they don't embark on this crusade against MLK like they do everyone else. I think we know why. Its pretty weird how upset you get over people turning your own tactics around on you.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:50 am to tduecen
First of all, MLK Jr was a positive force for good in the US and world.
That said, if you apply the treatment of historical figures in a fair and equal way, he absolutely should be demonized like Columbus, Andrew Jackson, Robert E Lee, etc.
But the SJW mob does not practice equal treatment or anything resembling rational thought, so the witch hunts will likely leave him alone.
In his case, that's ok. At least they're sparing some great figures, I guess.
That said, if you apply the treatment of historical figures in a fair and equal way, he absolutely should be demonized like Columbus, Andrew Jackson, Robert E Lee, etc.
But the SJW mob does not practice equal treatment or anything resembling rational thought, so the witch hunts will likely leave him alone.
In his case, that's ok. At least they're sparing some great figures, I guess.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:50 am to upgrayedd
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Anyone that even questions his life will be dismissed or destroyed.
Not really, but what benefit is there? The idea and vision of Martin Luther King is bigger than who he was. He was able to effect a positive change, and yes he also may have sinned as we all do.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:52 am to tigahbruh
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he absolutely should be demonized like Columbus, Andrew Jackson, Robert E Lee, etc.
Your talking about numerous deaths due to the direction of these individuals as superior commanders. King preached pacifisim. WTF???
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:52 am to Saskwatch
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He was able to effect a positive change,
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King’s socialism also convinced many blacks to adopt welfare liberalism. It transformed them into a permanent Democratic constituency. The results have been disastrous. The nanny state has crippled the black community, undermining self-reliance, entrepreneurship and personal responsibility. It has fostered family breakdown, soaring rates of illegitimacy and trapped millions in a cycle of poverty and urban squalor. King showed blacks the way out from segregation, but he led them to an economic plantation.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:53 am to LegendInMyMind
Not dismissing it. Just noting the method it was procured.
Don't get those that want to dismiss MLK entirely because he stepped out on his wife.
He isn't celebrated for his pious beliefs. He used his religion as a vessel for the civil rights movement, but he isn't a saint.
Don't use one part of his life to discredit his other accomplishments. Doing so puts you on the level of the idiots discrediting Jackson's contribution to New Orleans because of some of his Indian Affairs stances.
Don't get those that want to dismiss MLK entirely because he stepped out on his wife.
He isn't celebrated for his pious beliefs. He used his religion as a vessel for the civil rights movement, but he isn't a saint.
Don't use one part of his life to discredit his other accomplishments. Doing so puts you on the level of the idiots discrediting Jackson's contribution to New Orleans because of some of his Indian Affairs stances.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:54 am to High C
Teach a balanced version of MLK and see what happens 
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