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re: Spin Off From Sex With Teacher Threads
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:05 am to LoveThatMoney
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:05 am to LoveThatMoney
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stop allowing people into college that are borderline able to get in in the first place.
There's always going to be the borderline, it just depends on where you set it.
Fact is that there are great teachers and bad ones. This goes for every single profession out there, especially ones that require higher education because that means that it takes more intellect to perform it and generally speaking means that there is a greater disparity among the top and bottom in that professional area when compared to blue collar. There are doctors that go to overseas because they can't cut it or even get into American med schools, there are Law degrees you can get from unaccredited law school.
The fact remains that just like teaching, all these people have to pass a state certification test in order to practice.
You want the easiest way to improve the quality of teaching. Make the certification test harder, which in turn make college teaching programs harder because they all teach to the test. Finally, pay the teacher more to attract brighter people. My wife wanted to be a teacher from a very young age and never wavered. For her it wasn't about the money, but most people want their pay to match their intellect.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 11:06 am
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:11 am to LoveThatMoney
My mentor in college walked up to me and asked me if I could take a class (which I didn't need) because he needed help with the students. He taught purely by the Socratic method (he was a philosophy teacher), and not a lot of students are exposed to that. For some reason, this class (called Current Political Issues) was a requirement for a secondary education degree and the university made him teach it. Weird situation, really.
Anyways, it was BRUTAL. He brought me in so I could help get the class going along, but it just wasn't happening. There were a couple of bright people, but you could tell the majority were either too stupid or didn't care to learn the material at all.
Anyways, there was this girl. Holy shite, she was so fine. Anyways, she and the professor were going back and forth. She was having a really hard time understanding what he was saying. Then, the professor said, "No no no no no. Those are two different things. They are cats and dogs."
And, I shite you not, she exclaimed,
"Aha! But a cat can NEVER be a dog!"
She was so proud of herself, like she had stumped him. I almost walked out.
Anyways, it was BRUTAL. He brought me in so I could help get the class going along, but it just wasn't happening. There were a couple of bright people, but you could tell the majority were either too stupid or didn't care to learn the material at all.
Anyways, there was this girl. Holy shite, she was so fine. Anyways, she and the professor were going back and forth. She was having a really hard time understanding what he was saying. Then, the professor said, "No no no no no. Those are two different things. They are cats and dogs."
And, I shite you not, she exclaimed,
"Aha! But a cat can NEVER be a dog!"
She was so proud of herself, like she had stumped him. I almost walked out.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:15 am to SabiDojo
In my experience The loudest people in a college class are almost always the dumbest.
I've got a guy that sits behind me in one class. Out of state transfer football player, and he just thinks he's the smartest guy in the world. He is alway throwing out snarky remarks and trying to come up with these ways to call out the professor, but the more he talks the more you realize how frickin dumb this guy actually is. He usually starts off with a good point and then just has no way to communicate it and think it through before blurting it out
Granted, this class is a frickin joke, which is all the more reason I hate that guy for not shutting the hell up
I've got a guy that sits behind me in one class. Out of state transfer football player, and he just thinks he's the smartest guy in the world. He is alway throwing out snarky remarks and trying to come up with these ways to call out the professor, but the more he talks the more you realize how frickin dumb this guy actually is. He usually starts off with a good point and then just has no way to communicate it and think it through before blurting it out
Granted, this class is a frickin joke, which is all the more reason I hate that guy for not shutting the hell up
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:19 am to TigernMS12
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There's always going to be the borderline, it just depends on where you set it.
Fair enough. I should have worded the argument better: Up the requirements to get into college.
quote:Agreed.
Fact is that there are great teachers and bad ones. This goes for every single profession out there,
quote:Eh... Sort of. But, hell, the current education degree is basically not higher education. It's paint by fricking numbers. I remember looking at one of my friend's assignments and I just laughed at him.
especially ones that require higher education because that means that it takes more intellect to perform it and generally speaking means that there is a greater disparity among the top and bottom in that professional area when compared to blue collar.
"This is homework?" I asked.
Laughing, he said, "Hey, man, this stuff is hard!" He finished it quickly before turning to his real homework: thermodynamics.
quote:Could not agree more with all of this.
You want the easiest way to improve the quality of teaching. Make the certification test harder, which in turn make college teaching programs harder because they all teach to the test. Finally, pay the teacher more to attract brighter people. My wife wanted to be a teacher from a very young age and never wavered. For her it wasn't about the money, but most people want their pay to match their intellect.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:23 am to anc
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Its possible to be a certified math teacher without taking Calculus.
Where is this possible? I am certified to teach math in grades 6 thru 12. I currently teach pre-calculus at a very good HS outside of BR.
The math classes I took in college were:
Calculus I 5 credit hours
Calculus II 5 credit hours
Calculus III 3 credit hours
Calculus IV 3 credit hours
Discrete Math 3 credit hours
Linear Algebra 3 credit hours
Abstract Algebra 3 credit hours
Prob./Stats 3 credit hours
Number Theory 3 credit hours
Probability Theory 3 credit hours
and then I had to take two bull shite "math education" classes where they taught us mostly nothing, however, there were some days occasionally where we learned some useful things. Each of those classes were 3 credit hours apiece.
That is a total of 40 credit hours.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:26 am to LoveThatMoney
quote:Not even close. The people who work at day care facilities and take care of our elderly are much lower on the ladder than teachers. But then they are mostly close to minimum wage workers.
We are paying the bottom rung to watch and teach our children.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:30 am to Poodlebrain
Education is certainly the bottom rung of a 4 year college degree in most places.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:32 am to LoveThatMoney
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The problem? We are paying the bottom rung to watch and teach our children. Which is a catastrophe.
Teachers abusing kids has been going on since the first kid stepped in a classroom. None of this is new, it's just more apparent in our media-saturated world. Moreover, this behavior isn't confined to the "bottom rung"--whatever that may be. In fact, one of the more notable aspects in recent years is the number of "Teacher of the Year" types who have been charged with molestation. Immunity to this behavior is more a function of psychological health than anything else, I'll wager.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:40 am to LoveThatMoney
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Yes, 800 incidents out of probably a million or more educators is a small percentage, but that's still a large amount given the severity of the crime, imo.
You cant possibly think that "sexual assault" automatically means that 800 teachers banged 800 students huh? Also, the percentage of teacher/student is probably very small. If a male teacher tells a female teacher "your arse looks nice in that pencil skirt...I cant even see your thong" and then brushes up against her, then that would fall into that statistic. That is not the same as a male teacher outright raping a female student as you make it sound, much less have consensual sex with a little slutty 17 yr old.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 11:41 am
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:42 am to dnm3305
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You cant possibly think that "sexual assault" automatically means that 800 teachers banged 800 students huh?
I can assure you LTM knows this.
The question is why would that matter?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:52 am to LoveThatMoney
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The problem? We are paying the bottom rung to watch and teach our children. Which is a catastrophe.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:53 am to SabiDojo
I applaud these female teachers for giving our young men a real education. I was never so fortunate.
For the male teachers, Hang em.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:56 am to anc
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I have a proposal that will get the lower rung out of our schools AND better the education.
Get rid of the education degree. Yep.
That's how it is in most states to teach high school and middle school. You have to have a degree in history to teach it. The education part is an add on. They are getting the same English, math, science, and history degrees that the rest of the graduates are getting.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 12:45 pm to LoveThatMoney
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The problem? We are paying the bottom rung to watch and teach our children. Which is a catastrophe.
right because well paid people never commit sex crimes, right? Know how I know you went to public school?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:02 pm to tigerinthebueche
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right because well paid people never commit sex crimes, right? Know how I know you went to public school?
Of course they do. But when you mix people who are inherently stupid and unable to control themselves with teenagers, you get a volatile concoction (again, not saying all teacher are stupid or unable to control themselves, but I am saying that it appears a sizable amount are both, and given the experiences I had with some of the education majors I knew in undergrad, I can attest to them being lower rung).
And I did go to public school, but the fact that you did not and that you clearly look down on people that went to public school is indicative of the point.
But it appears my public school education in St. Louis has served me better than your private school education in Louisiana.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:23 pm to ShuckJordan
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ANC doesn't know what he is talking about. Look up the SEMA, secondary education in mathematics requirements at the U of A.
Alabama isn't the only state and the University of Alabama secondary education degree is not the only way to teach Math in a high school.
The alternate route programs in most states are "pass a test, you're certified." Math was by far my worst subject, but look at the PRAXIS II Math test. Most people who went through high school math or took college algebra can pass it.
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:30 pm to LoveThatMoney
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The problem? We are paying the bottom rung to watch and teach our children. Which is a catastrophe
no body else will do it
Posted on 4/22/15 at 1:55 pm to LoveThatMoney
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But when you mix people who are inherently stupid and unable to control themselves
You can't say something like this then try to rationalize it by saying that there are a few who don't fit under this blanket statement.
You really seem to hate teachers. Care to tell us about your profession?
Posted on 4/22/15 at 2:26 pm to High C
My point exactly!! Generalize much??
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