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re: Switzerland to vote on $25 minimum wage
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:36 pm to LSUAlum2001
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:36 pm to LSUAlum2001
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You do realize that UE benefits will be increased based on the new minimum wage increase. People who are lazy will still sit at home collecting checks for doing shite.
Thank you. Sick of people crying that rich people are rich while they have their hand out. Historically there are only two things that motivate people to get off their arse and work a job they don't like and those are cold and hunger.
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:43 pm to Geauxld Finger
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Yeah, I definitely think the US needs to raise our minimum wage, but not to $25
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definitely agree with this. it would actually give people incentive to work, and not live of the government tit forever
Well, ignorance is bliss right? The type of people that make minimum wage (non-teenagers) are making minimum wage because they are content with that. They would rather bitch and moan about minimum wage not being high enough instead of having pride and earning their keep by bettering themselves. They live and are trained to live with a sense of entitlement. People with attitudes like that will take there handout, run the the back of the line (if youre lucky) and demand seconds with both hands open this time.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:45 pm to Napoleon
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it's a sha,e that you can make more not working than working
I know this may sound crazy, but how about lowering the amount people get who aren't working to give them incentive to work?
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:47 pm to minor
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it's a sha,e that you can make how about lowering the amount people get who aren't working to give them incentive to work?
Crazy enough to wo.... Just kidding that's racist
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:54 pm to Geauxld Finger
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This post was edited on 5/18/14 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:58 pm to minor
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know this may sound crazy, but how about lowering the amount people get who aren't working to give them incentive to work?
Only crazy to the party who controls the Senate
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:04 pm to Boomtown
Raise minimum wage = inflation
The people who are making more than minimum wage (middle-class) will still be making the same amount. Someone fill me in on how that is supposed to be good
The people who are making more than minimum wage (middle-class) will still be making the same amount. Someone fill me in on how that is supposed to be good
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:11 pm to LSUAfro
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What would you like to raise minimum wage to? What arbitrary number would you like to use?
I'd love for someone to offer up an answer to this question, along with a rationale.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:16 pm to Napoleon
People should be paid their market value. The gooberment has no business telling people what to pay others. If you don't want a minimum wage job show up on time, work hard and EARN more money or get an education and EARN more money.
A burger flipper at a fast food restaurant or a maid at a cheap hotel don't have the rights to higher pay. Just like I don't have the right to higher pay. I had to earn my way and so should everyone else.
A burger flipper at a fast food restaurant or a maid at a cheap hotel don't have the rights to higher pay. Just like I don't have the right to higher pay. I had to earn my way and so should everyone else.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:18 pm to Boomtown
McDonalds workers in Switzerland probably speak 5 languages 
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:33 pm to Napoleon
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And not everyone has what it takes to advance, the ditch diggers and cashiers have to make money too
There is opportunity out there for everyone to be successful at something. It's the above bullshite mindset that created the "victims" of our society.
If you're in your 30's working for minimum wage, you fricked up somewhere along the way. Opportunity is there for everyone at any age. If you don't take advantage of it, there are consequences. Shitty pay because you have no skills is one of them.
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but it's a sha,e that you can make more not working than working.
Raising minimum wage isn't the only way to solve this issue. Lower benefits for not working. Boom done.
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I just don't see why people to my right are against an increase in minimum wage but fine with the ceos of these companies making a few thousand times what their employees make.
Because the CEO is a few thousand times more important than minimum wage workers. And to be fair, "a few thousand times more" (in terms of compensation) is a bit of a hyperbole.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:14 pm to JOJO Hammer
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If you don't want a minimum wage job show up on time, work hard and EARN more money or get an education and EARN more money.
Can also get a second job. I make more than minimum wage, but I also work 60+ hours a week to better myself.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:17 pm to Boomtown
I'm a total idiot when it comes to economics.
If we were to hypothetically raise the minimum wage to $15 like the fast food workers want, would everyone else then have to adjust? Like for example, let's say there's someone out there working a full time job that makes $14 or $15 an hour. If minimum wage rose, would that person then get a raise, or would they basically just keep their minimum wage salary? I guess it'd be up to the company, but it seems like a major shite storm for that person in question to now be making as much as a part time mcdonalds cashier.
If we were to hypothetically raise the minimum wage to $15 like the fast food workers want, would everyone else then have to adjust? Like for example, let's say there's someone out there working a full time job that makes $14 or $15 an hour. If minimum wage rose, would that person then get a raise, or would they basically just keep their minimum wage salary? I guess it'd be up to the company, but it seems like a major shite storm for that person in question to now be making as much as a part time mcdonalds cashier.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:26 pm to WG_Dawg
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If we were to hypothetically raise the minimum wage to $15 like the fast food workers want, would everyone else then have to adjust? Like for example, let's say there's someone out there working a full time job that makes $14 or $15 an hour. If minimum wage rose, would that person then get a raise, or would they basically just keep their minimum wage salary? I guess it'd be up to the company, but it seems like a major shite storm for that person in question to now be making as much as a part time mcdonalds cashier.
There's no mechanism for adjusting the worker in your hypo, other than the worker going to his/her boss for a raise.
Raising the minimum wage does just that. It doesn't change the wages for anyone at or above the new min wage.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:33 pm to Boomtown
Demographics, median income, economy, and lifestyles.... Theirs are way different compared to ours.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:39 pm to ZereauxSum
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Raising the minimum wage does just that. It doesn't change the wages for anyone at or above the new min wage.
That's what I assumed. Man that would be chaos if gainfully employed full time people (albeit not in great jobs) were now making the same as menial part time minimum wage workers.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 4:03 pm to ZereauxSum
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Raising the minimum wage does just that. It doesn't change the wages for anyone at or above the new min wage.
Maybe not, but I can guarandamntee you that every person that was now making at our just above minimum wage would seek more income for what they do, which would just keep happening on up the ladder.
The guys in my shop make $10 an hour and we have a hard enough time keeping people. We pay more than minimum wage to keep them. If minimum wage jumps to 12 or 15 an hour, we will have to start paying 18 an hour to keep them. For a job that requires no education and we train them.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 4:13 pm to Napoleon
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"Oh I only made $2.12 an hour in 1975"
Yeah, but that's $11.50 now.
based off of what, inflation? May want to recheck that. It was also $2.10 in 1975.
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I just don't see why people to my right are against an increase in minimum wage but fine with the ceos of these companies making a few thousand times what their employees make.
But this is a rightwing place so I'm sure a dozen people will say let the market decide. yada yada yada.
Well, if they are truly fiscal conservatives, they have a problem with a income floor, regardless of level. Many believe that if we got rid of it, the average "minimum wage" would be higher, though of course that is debatable, and yet to be proven.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 5/16/14 at 4:54 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
The problem is not just raising the minimum wage and all that stupidity entails. Are the other workers just supposed to stand and watch as the entry level jobs get closer to their pay?
Example:
Let's say minimum wage is raised to $15hr. Now, in a hospital in surgery their are RNs and CSTs that have advanced education and training to do what they do. RNs out of school make $21hr and CSTs make $14. Techs with no training and experience that transport patients and clean up rooms, entry level jobs, make $8-9hr. Are formally educated and trained RNs and CSTs supposed to sit idly by while entry level workers make the same or close to the same??? So let's say you raise those salaries to compensate. Are experienced RNs and CSTs supposed to sit idly by while new grads make the same as them or closer?
Raising the minimum wage does not fix the problem. Hard work, education, and ambition beyond "Welcome to McDonald's. May I help you?" does.
If that's the only job available, work hard, be the best cashier/frier/grill person/whatever until you're promoted. Paying people more for entry level jobs is stupid, bad business, bad for the economy, bad for consumers.
Example:
Let's say minimum wage is raised to $15hr. Now, in a hospital in surgery their are RNs and CSTs that have advanced education and training to do what they do. RNs out of school make $21hr and CSTs make $14. Techs with no training and experience that transport patients and clean up rooms, entry level jobs, make $8-9hr. Are formally educated and trained RNs and CSTs supposed to sit idly by while entry level workers make the same or close to the same??? So let's say you raise those salaries to compensate. Are experienced RNs and CSTs supposed to sit idly by while new grads make the same as them or closer?
Raising the minimum wage does not fix the problem. Hard work, education, and ambition beyond "Welcome to McDonald's. May I help you?" does.
If that's the only job available, work hard, be the best cashier/frier/grill person/whatever until you're promoted. Paying people more for entry level jobs is stupid, bad business, bad for the economy, bad for consumers.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 7:14 pm to LSUAfro
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Or we could have stricter regulations and less incentive for people to sit on entitlement programs
This. If you're low skilled and/or low education, you shouldn't expect to make what a college graduate makes. That said, I'veseen some high school grads who started their own business, busted their arse, and made something of themselves. My hat is off to them. However, if you want to sit on your arse and make government check babies, then you can starve in the cold dark. Just my opinion.
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