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re: This is the ONLY answer to school shootings
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:40 pm to choupiquesushi
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:40 pm to choupiquesushi
Alligator moats, then a no man's land where the dogs shoot bees out their mouth when they bark hunt, then the shark moat with fricking lasers, then the minefield, then the last moat with ill tempered sea bass.
And finally the shooter gets there and is greeted by a mushroom that tells them the students are in another school. Only after the shooter is run back through the traps into custody is it revealed that the empty looking school was only oil tarps the whole time.
Naw, shite like this happens and it sucks but we need to hit this from multiple angles. Mental health is one, properly certified and armed staff not to engage but help create lines of demarcation while PSO arrives, up the age of purchase for firearms to 21, parents need to parent, and we need to vote with our dollars the if it bleeds it leads crap away, stop making these child killers household names.
And finally the shooter gets there and is greeted by a mushroom that tells them the students are in another school. Only after the shooter is run back through the traps into custody is it revealed that the empty looking school was only oil tarps the whole time.
Naw, shite like this happens and it sucks but we need to hit this from multiple angles. Mental health is one, properly certified and armed staff not to engage but help create lines of demarcation while PSO arrives, up the age of purchase for firearms to 21, parents need to parent, and we need to vote with our dollars the if it bleeds it leads crap away, stop making these child killers household names.
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:41 pm to fightin tigers
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It's insane to think any reasonable amount of security will stop psychotics.
While that may be true, how many times do you hear of a psycho shooting up a hard target like a courthouse or anything where there are already a lot of guns present? They 99.9% of the time go after soft targets.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:41 pm to Breesus
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Explain it to me.
The fact that it needs to be explained to you is even more telling.
Americans own almost half of the worlds civilian owned guns.
Despite having only 5% of the worlds population, the US is home to 31% of mass shooting incidents.
That's it. It's pretty simple.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:41 pm to RATeamWannabe
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You're absolutely right. Shame this hasn't been implemented nation wide.
too many people getting tripped up over variables and legalese....logistically doing nothing is exacerbating the problem....give each state, each school district some power to do what works best for them.....one fix is NOT going to translate across this wide nation.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:42 pm to Indfanfromcol
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So the three people broke into his house and none of them had a gun, and only an assault rifle was going to stop them? If he had a pistol or shotgun in his hand, he wouldn’t have made it? Yeah, the ak-47 saved him. But any gun would have.
You’re hilarious dude. You ask for specific examples, get what you ask for, then you crawfish. I’ll bite anyway.
What if all three of them have AKs? You know what isn’t going to help as much as he homeowner having an AK? A shotgun with 5 rounds or a pistol with 12.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:44 pm to Breesus
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Care to discuss it? Why is it ridiculous?
Well, cars are not created to kill. They serve a tremendous public good and are critical to our society.
Guns are created to kill. That is the reason they exist and do not provide any public good to our society, aside from perhaps maybe .001% of the population that uses hunting as their sole means for obtaining food (like Glen from Below Zero).
Note, I'm not advocating for banning all guns, just having to explain the absurdity of that connection you're trying to make.
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:45 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
I think that is a fair argument. But at that point, it’s kind of like deciding between gun control or a mass militarization of America’s police force to patrol the streets and public buildings even more. Which could be a fix. Just got back from France and their police are walking everyone down the street carrying rifles. Freaked my wife out but could be a possible solution
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:46 pm to Indfanfromcol
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So the three people broke into his house and none of them had a gun, and only an assault rifle was going to stop them? If he had a pistol or shotgun in his hand, he wouldn’t have made it?
Maybe, maybe not. He would have been exponentially less accurate with a pistol. Maybe in the heat of the moment he isn’t using a proper grip and has a misfeed and is only able to get off a single shot. Maybe the 3 intruders take his gun from him and beat him to death.
It doesn’t really matter. We don’t restrict ones right to defend themselves based on what you think is reasonable.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:46 pm to RATeamWannabe
I asked for examples that show only a semi automatic assault rifle could have saved them. That is my argument. What is ridiculous is that you argue so hard that there are scenarios of home defense that only a semi automatic rifle, no other gun, could save them but there are no examples.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:47 pm to UpToPar
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Maybe, maybe not. He would have been exponentially less accurate with a pistol. Maybe in the heat of the moment he isn’t using a proper grip and has a misfeed and is only able to get off a single shot. Maybe the 3 intruders take his gun from him and beat him to death.
It doesn’t really matter. We don’t restrict ones right to defend themselves based on what you think is reasonable.
Not to mention, removing those types of weapons from the streets and choking off their production would limit the bad guys ability to get them as well.
But hey, logic has no place in this thread.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:48 pm to TDsngumbo
For 7am - 6pm (to cover both before and after care) you are looking at between 80-100k for one officer for Monday-Friday/10 months. And I agree that two would be optimal.
Who's footing the bill?
Looks good on paper. Great preventative measure. But the scope of the expense warrants some enormous definites in terms of ROI.
Who's footing the bill?
Looks good on paper. Great preventative measure. But the scope of the expense warrants some enormous definites in terms of ROI.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:48 pm to RATeamWannabe
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they dont get in line and have their bags checked at the door
They do when all access is on lock down to external entrance.
How many mass shooting have occurred at large sporting events where this exact form of gate control is practiced?
Solid steel entrance/exit doors, clear backpacks, and greeter at each entrance would GREATLY reduce the number of potential threats entering the school.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:49 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Not to mention, removing those types of weapons from the streets and choking off their production would limit the bad guys ability to get them as well.
How are you going to remove them from the streets? And under his proposal, there would not be an all out ban, so they would still be manufactured. Two swings, two misses.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:51 pm to Indfanfromcol
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asked for examples that show only a semi automatic assault rifle could have saved them.
It doesn’t matter what link anyone provides, you’ll just conveniently argue that the same result could have been accomplished with a pistol or shotgun. This is futile.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:51 pm to Breesus
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semi automatic assault rifle
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Dude. Please stop repeating this nonsense bullet point you read on CNN. For the love of God educate yourself a little bit before you try to talk about a topic.
Semi automatic rifle is a pretty broad term. Most 22s are semi automatic rifles and they basically squirrel guns at best. This looks deadly but it's a 22
This gun is far more powerful gun
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:52 pm to TDsngumbo
Hell Naw, Ban Assault Weapons.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:52 pm to UpToPar
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How are you going to remove them from the streets? And under his proposal, there would not be an all out ban, so they would still be manufactured. Two swings, two misses.
Well, if you limit who can have them and when, that will start to dry things up. Confiscating them from offenders as they are identified will dry them up. Strengthening the requirements for who can purchase them in the first place will reduce the numbers, etc etc.
But you all have no interest in keeping them out of the hands of anybody, so it's a moot point.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:54 pm to Indfanfromcol
Ok man. In that case, enjoy the fact that no legislation will be passed, and ARs will still be available for years and years. Because your argument won’t change that.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:54 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Well, if you limit who can have them and when, that will start to dry things up. Confiscating them from offenders as they are identified will dry them up. Strengthening the requirements for who can purchase them in the first place will reduce the numbers, etc etc.
Right. You know how many felons currently own a gun? You know how many of those felons are identified and their guns confiscated? All of a sudden we are going to become super proficient at keeping guns out of the wrong hands? You are living in fantasy land right now.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 12:55 pm to adp
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Columbine had a rent-a-cop-like system with one guard on duty armed only with a hand gun.
And had he not been there the death toll would have been much higher.
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