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Posted on 11/27/20 at 3:59 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Aka I’m lazy and want to be lazy when I feel like being lazy.
What an ignorant statement.
Alot of people live in big cities like Atlanta, Houston, Chicago etc and the cost of living or paying for daycare in the city is insane. Work from home as an option allows a family to potentially move outside the city into suburbs with better schools, affordable housing etc.
WFH has way more upside to saving money and not being strained by the big city life.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 4:17 pm to Saints83
I like it more all the time. Worked out great for me this year as its given me more time during the evenings to work on our house (a foreclosure w acreage and outbuildings...a farm essentially), I'm able to climb up into a deer stand early but still make all my AM meetings. Helps that my team is rock solid.
I get to see more of my night nurse wifey (and crawl into bed with her sometimes).
It also lines up w my plans to spend the last 6-8 years of my career on the road in an RV w my wife who will do travel nursing.
I get to see more of my night nurse wifey (and crawl into bed with her sometimes).
It also lines up w my plans to spend the last 6-8 years of my career on the road in an RV w my wife who will do travel nursing.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 4:31 pm to tigerinthebueche
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think employers are going to start lowering/reducing salaries for the WFH crowd. No point in paying you the same salary if you’re at home. I’m paying you to be where I know you’re actually working- even if you’re not every minute of the day .
Stupid. You’re paying for results. You’re not paying for time spent on daily activities, or where that person exists that day. The means and method of how an individual produces results shouldn’t matter assuming its ethical. If they can click their heels 3 times and add to the bottom line you pay them what their worth
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 11/27/20 at 4:42 pm to themasterpater
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Stupid. You’re paying for results. You’re not paying for time spent on daily activities, or where that person exists that day. The means and method of how an individual produces results shouldn’t matter assuming its ethical. If they can click their heels 3 times and add to the bottom line you pay them what their worth
You’re being paid to produce results at the office. You’re gonna get paid less doing it at home. You may not like it, but unless you provide a service that is unique, the routine office roles are going to command a lower salary when done at home. IMO. I’m not just paying people for results. I’m paying to have them at my disposal. I’m paying to have the accessible when I need them. Being at home isn’t the same. To that point I think WFH salaries will be lower than in office compensation.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 4:50 pm to Magician2
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WFH has way more upside to saving money and not being strained by the big city life.
Why do you think big city life cities offer higher salaries?
If you want to get out of the city, leave. But you’re probably gonna have a lower salary as a result.
I may be wrong, but I think the WFH fans are in for a rude awakening when this shakes out.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 4:54 pm to Saints83
I love working from home, but technically, I am field based for an oil major so I get the best of both worlds. 30 percent of the time I travel to job sites, to see clients, or to our HQ or another region for meetings. You have to set up an office space and keep seperate from the family as much as possible, but it is great to not be tied to a desk...I get up early, get ahead, help get the kid to school, hit the gym, do whatever else I gotta do then get back to the computer to answer all the emails that come in at 4 oclock from the lazier folks...I.wouldnt change it a bit
ETA I have been WFH field based for 3 years now
ETA I have been WFH field based for 3 years now
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 11/27/20 at 5:01 pm to Saints83
My office environment isn’t super social, so working from home was not a major transition in that sense. The big issue was a self-discipline one because I was working in the same place where my bed, kitchen, tv, and dog are, the temptation to be less productive was powerful. I was significantly less productive working from home, but much much happier.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 5:06 pm to tigerinthebueche
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I’m not just paying people for results. I’m paying to have them at my disposal.
Know how i know your employees don't like you? They are not your cattle. Results and bottom line. If you can perform, do your thing, and I’ll get out the way, let me know what you need. Lots of people when left to their own ingenuity perform better and take more ownership over their work without some boss who treats them as disposable. You literally used the word disposal when referring to your employees...what an a-hole.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 5:26 pm to Saints83
I’m a major introvert, so I love working from home
I have been doing it for nearly 2 years and I go into the office twice a week, so I get a healthy mix. You have to be disciplined enough to get your shite done without worrying about someone walking behind you. There are a lot of distractions at home, but I also get a lot done (laundry, dishes, cooking) in the process.
You need to set a routine.. going for a run at 7, shower, coffee, then open the laptop at 8
It can be done, but it’s not for everyone
ETA- I should also add that I have my own office, with a window view to my back yard. Having to work in your kitchen or living room would be a dealbreaker
I have been doing it for nearly 2 years and I go into the office twice a week, so I get a healthy mix. You have to be disciplined enough to get your shite done without worrying about someone walking behind you. There are a lot of distractions at home, but I also get a lot done (laundry, dishes, cooking) in the process.
You need to set a routine.. going for a run at 7, shower, coffee, then open the laptop at 8
It can be done, but it’s not for everyone
ETA- I should also add that I have my own office, with a window view to my back yard. Having to work in your kitchen or living room would be a dealbreaker
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 11/27/20 at 5:49 pm to tigerinthebueche
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I’m not just paying people for results. I’m paying to have them at my disposal. I’m paying to have the accessible when I need them
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To that point I think WFH salaries will be lower than in office compensation.
so you're not actually paying anyone, huh?
Posted on 11/27/20 at 5:53 pm to DavidTheGnome
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I think it will have profound impacts on our societies mental health by not having people go into the office.
This.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 5:56 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Yeah that dude doesn’t actually manage anyone. If he does he has high turnover or bottom feeders, because no-one wants to work for an a-hole like that.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 6:00 pm to themasterpater
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You literally used the word disposal when referring to your employees...what an a-hole
Oh grow up. Unless you’re the owner of the business, you’re disposable. You sound incredibly immature and very naive.
This post was edited on 11/27/20 at 6:04 pm
Posted on 11/27/20 at 6:10 pm to tigerinthebueche
Employees that are worth of shite are not disposable. If they were, employers wouldn't have such a hard time hiring and training a new employee. That cost alone means they aren't disposable. It’s costing you money to train their replacement if you let them go or have them walk because you treat them that way. And the odds of their replacement after training being just as good or let alone better than your previously “disposable” employee? Slim to none. Certainly not a great way for you to spend the resources of time and money. That time and capital could be leveraged on strategic decisions. Ever heard the phrase “work on your business not in it?”
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:25 pm to Saints83
Two days ago I signed an offer letter for what will basically be a work from home deal. A professional friend of mine has a firm in California and he needs someone with my skill set. We had always said how much we would like to work together and the timing / technology seems right. So we agreed to do it for a year. About one/third of their staff already lives and works outside the state.
I’ll probably fly out there every 3 months for a week.
I’m nervous and excited at same time. I needed a change in my life.
I’ll probably fly out there every 3 months for a week.
I’m nervous and excited at same time. I needed a change in my life.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:42 pm to tigerinthebueche
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You’re being paid to produce results at the office.
I don’t know what profession you are in, but if the results are the same (or better) with a WFH employee, what difference does it make?
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I’m paying to have them at my disposal. I’m paying to have the accessible when I need them. Being at home isn’t the same.
It is if you learn how to manage them using all this tech we have available.
You seem very old school. Depending on how much longer you plan to work, you will likely, over time, find it harder and harder to keep good employees, especially if you are in an industry that supports WFH. Employees have options.
If you are 2 years from retirement you will get by. If you are 20... good luck.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:45 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Unless you’re the owner of the business, you’re disposable
Business owners can be disposable too, baw.
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You sound incredibly immature and very naive.
And you sound like a raging a-hole that no one wants to work for.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:46 pm to themasterpater
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Employees that are worth of shite are not disposable.
From various threads I have read, over the years, from that poster, I get the impression he has a lot of low-skill, low-wage, high-turnover employees.
Posted on 11/27/20 at 10:49 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I get the impression he has a lot of low-skill, low-wage, high-turnover employees.
Exactly, true performers aren’t disposable. If they are really good at their job, you let them do it and get out the way.
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