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Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:39 pm to lsu777
Most guys now are turn the barrel. It's also been proven that it's quicker to the ball.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:42 pm to WalkerTrash
I’m just going by years of experience and what I have seen with my own 2 eyes that I like to think are fairly refined.
But I’m looking for hit ability in a game situation, not numbers in a cage. So there could be a disconnect there, I’ll admit.
But I’m looking for hit ability in a game situation, not numbers in a cage. So there could be a disconnect there, I’ll admit.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:48 pm to TCO
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Because it’s supposed to be fun, not a dick measuring contest
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To what end?
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What exactly do you define as success?
who said it wasnt fun?? are you under the impression that i make my kids play travel baseball? or that i make them go practice on their own or that i make them workout? do you think i make them go to lessons?
you realize some kids really like sports. some actually like the grind and embrace it. if they are makign great grades and top of their class....why does it matter?
as far as what end...whatever they want it to be. if they tell me they dont want to hit that day or just want to chill...we chill. thing almost every day when i get home...my kids are doign somethign or waiting on me to go practice. no matter the day or month.
my kids beg to go to lessons and beg to workout. i dont make them at all.
i define success as not wasting potential
but you know whats fun for kids...being better than others, barrelling the ball up, blowing the ball past a hitter to win the game.....those things dont happen by accident
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Make a very nice living with loads of free time.
so do i, so does my wife. stop acting like it can only be one or the other. highly motivated and successful people tend to be successful in most things they do because they understand how to work.
if you dont want your kids to play travel sports...cool. dont. but dont get mad if others value things you dont. and dont act like kids cant be successful in life if they play travel sports like its a zero sum game and cant be smart and play sports at high level.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:55 pm to HottyToddy7
More than one way to skin a cat. Neither way is wrong. Been a debate for a while now Linear hitting vs Rotational. I teach my son to turn the barrel. Some really good YouTube channels out there you can follow to learn more. I think Matt Antonelli does the best job explaining turn the barrel.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:55 pm to HottyToddy7
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I’m just going by years of experience and what I have seen with my own 2 eyes that I like to think are fairly refined.
But I’m looking for hit ability in a game situation, not numbers in a cage. So there could be a disconnect there, I’ll admit.
look at images below
he loads using a hlp, load the glute and hamstring
he lets the hips go while maintaining the box/triangle throughout.
he tilts as needed and gets on path early with early bat acceleration. notice how he hinges & tilts to maintain a vertical bat angle of less than neg 30 degrees when at contact.
he is not a knob to the ball guy. nor is he a linear hitter. he is a more rotational with some HLP concepts. but he 100% maintains the box as much as possible and gets his elbow in to the slot on his hip.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:56 pm to HottyToddy7
You guys realize that you're arguing basically the same thing? 
Down through the ball has ALWAYS been an exaggerated phrase to get hitters to stay inside the ball, straight to it, and extend through it. That's not the reality of it when it is put into practice correctly.
I teach down through the ball.
Others teach turn the barrel.
Different teaching methods that ultimately result in the same swing.
My daughter responds better to down through the ball. Turn the barrel causes her to drop her hands too much.
Happy to post pictures of her "down through the ball" swing.
Down through the ball has ALWAYS been an exaggerated phrase to get hitters to stay inside the ball, straight to it, and extend through it. That's not the reality of it when it is put into practice correctly.
I teach down through the ball.
Others teach turn the barrel.
Different teaching methods that ultimately result in the same swing.
My daughter responds better to down through the ball. Turn the barrel causes her to drop her hands too much.
Happy to post pictures of her "down through the ball" swing.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 12:59 pm to WalkerTrash
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I think Matt Antonelli does the best job explaining turn the barrel.
yea matt is awesome. so is hitting done right. david weiss, conner mcmullin, jake epstein, baseball rebellion, and i promise you can learn a lot from the HLP guys even if you dont agree with everythign they teach(for example i dont like the head movement in a lot of HLP guys swings)
guys like bill miller, chad longworth and driveline are great too
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:02 pm to lsu777
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so 98% of the kids would play less than 20 games total....then put the ball down until next feb....yea thats not a system that is good for development.
It’s a good system of you want to have fun and have no real ability to play higher level ball.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:02 pm to BoogaBear
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You guys realize that you're arguing basically the same thing?
Walker and I we’re having a friendly informative debate. No arguing at all.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:02 pm to BoogaBear
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You guys realize that you're arguing basically the same thing?
Down through the ball has ALWAYS been an exaggerated phrase to get hitters to stay inside the ball, straight to it, and extend through it. That's not the reality of it when it is put into practice correctly.
I teach down through the ball.
Others teach turn the barrel.
Different teaching methods that ultimately result in the same swing.
My daughter responds better to down through the ball. Turn the barrel causes her to drop her hands too much.
Happy to post pictures of her "down through the ball" swing.
i do...he doesnt lol because he doesnt really understand what launch angle or atleast isnt good at projecting his understanding
or maybe im the dumbass and just cant understand him
yea down through the ball is a feel that works for some
but knob to the ball is not the same as rotate the box. nor is it the same as knob to the pitcher and replace front elbow. knob to the ball causes a hitter to become disconneted
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:03 pm to lsu777
Not to be an arse but both of those pictures are outside and his contact point is in front or at his left knee, aka hitting the ball on the upswing to get the desired launch angle.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:03 pm to LSUFanHouston
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It’s a good system of you want to have fun and have no real ability to play higher level ball.
well they have that now but its essentially making the decision.....not gonna play HS ball at a young age.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:03 pm to lsu777
Sometimes knob to ball means “ STOP dropping your fricking hands“
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:05 pm to Chad504boy
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Sometimes knob to ball means “ STOP dropping your fricking hands
Or casting and rolling over.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:08 pm to HottyToddy7
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It to be an arse but both of those pictures are outside and his contact point is in front or at his left knee, aka hitting the ball on the upswing to get the desired launch angle.
lol you cant tell where the ball is on the plate. but based off the picture the one he is tilting on and has the largest negative VBA....based on where he is catching it at..does look to be outside.
again i never said you wont have a higher launch angle on a pitch you catch out front. especially inside pitch. If you have a rearward launch where you are getting on path early you absolutely will. i wasnt sayign you wont. I was saying thats not the only time you will have a higher launch angle.
i will say this...if we sat in a room and talked while looking at video, we would prolly agree on 95% of stuff when it comes to the swing. i think a lot of the disconnect comes in the vocabulary and the inability to explain things easily in print.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:08 pm to lsu777
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i define success as not wasting potential
The potential for what, to have something to brag about when he’s 40?
I’m not mad, like you state. I said multiple times I’m only in this thread because travel baseball parents tend to be the douchiest people at the park and deserve to be made fun of.
This post was edited on 7/7/23 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:09 pm to lsu777
“Dad, I want to squat 405 today.”
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:12 pm to HottyToddy7
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Or casting and rolling over.
knob to the ball tends to cause casting. its why most dont use it as a cue anymore because many take it literal.
rolling over is a simple product of early bottom hand supination and not staying palm up/palm down throughout the zone.
never heard knob to ball used to stop someone from dropping their hands.
but in the end, the knob to the ball is usually just a cue and feel used trying to get the player to rotate the triangle.
imo much of the disagreement comes from feel guys vs real guys. im a real guy, not a feel guy.
Posted on 7/7/23 at 1:12 pm to HottyToddy7
quote:the ball isn’t on a flat path.
Short to it, long through it”, barrel does not level out until it reaches the hitting zone and stays level a long time. That is the goal.
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