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re: U.S. Military no longer supporting Scouts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:23 pm to jcaz
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:23 pm to jcaz
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Girls never belonged in Boy Scouts. Girl Scouts exists for a reason. There are differences in being a man or woman. Separate groups have different missions for that reasons.
Even if doing the exact same thing having some groups with sexes separated out is important. If the girls scouts suck the girls and their parents need to fix it and do more things besides sell cookies.
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Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:34 pm to ghost2most
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That's dumb. But in our pack not an issue that we've encountered or that's come up.
I know there are local troops that are very much like the ones in the past, but the current politics of Scouting America can become an issue for national or even regional events.
Some orgs like Trail Life USA and similar have been stepping up in areas where the local formerly known as Boy Scouts troops are infected with the woke and trans idiocracy.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 3:30 am to Lexis Dad
Wrong. Next.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 5:33 am to Dam Guide
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Does it impact the program you give your kids? Absolutely not.
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Is there some DEI stuff in there, yes there it is, I won't deny they have added some of that stuff to required Eagle merit badges.
Yeah, screw that! DEI must be destroyed. Scouts is part of the problem. They need to renounce and reform that crap or we should abandon the organization.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 7:41 am to dallastigers
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do more things besides sell cookies.
Most troops seem to do nothing but this. It's funny, their financial report doesn't have the word "cookie" in it at all. Revenue from membership dues was 39M, and the only thing I can see that might be cookies is "girl scout merchandise gross profit" at $19M, which can't possibly include cookie profit (not high enough.)
They have $99M in expenses under three line items: council support, "Girl program development and adult learning opportunities," and brand promotion. I bet I was the 20th download of that PDF this year.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 7:58 am to Penrod
There's a lot of misinformation within this thread, most of it from people not associated with scouting.
First off, regarding the name change from BSA to Scouting America. The largest driving factor in the name change was not DEI and inclusiveness as alluded to in this thread, but the 2.46 Billion dollar law suit that was filed against BSA. This forced BSA to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The name change to Scouting America was part of a rebranding effort that was associated with the bankruptcy filing. In reality it had very little to do with DEI.
Second, while their are now girls in scouting I can tell folks here that after almost 4 years of going to weekly scout meetings, that 90+% of the time that the boys and girls naturally segregate at troop meetings and outings. The boys hang with the boys and vice versa. FWIW, I've seen female scouts that would run circles around the average boy in this country in an outdoor setting (hiking, camping, etc.) I was skeptical about it when we first joined, but I have not seen it to be an issue.
Finally, the biggest criticism here seems to be about the “DEI stuff,” which I think mainly refers to the Citizenship in Society merit badge. Despite what some would like you to believe, this badge isn’t corporate-style DEI that forces quotas, politics, or leadership based on identity. It simply teaches Scouts that some people are different than us. It teaches them to treat other people with respect, understand different perspectives, and be ethical leaders. It reinforces values already in the Scout Oath and Law. That is being helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, and respectful. There’s no required personal disclosure, no beliefs required to be followed, and no judgements of those that are different than us. The badge doesn’t place people in leadership because of their differences. It simply helps Scouts recognize those differences so they can work together better as a team. (As a FYI, in our first troop we had boys and girls, Christian, Catholic, LDS, Muslim and scouts that were atheistic/agnostic. We also opened and closed every meeting with a prayer.)
We've been in a couple of troops in my kids tenure and let me assure you that scout leadership in the troops when it comes to Sr Patrol leader and Patrol leader (etc) is still the same popularity contest it was when we were in scouts and most of the time true leadership skills have very little to do with the selections.
For example, here are a few of the requirements of the Citizenship in Society Merit badge.
As you can see, the situations here are ones that all kids are likely to run into in day to day life. By thinking about what to do in those situations, it gives them the tools to better cope with them if if were to happen again. When my kid did this badge, I think he talked to a Muslim scout for #6.
First off, regarding the name change from BSA to Scouting America. The largest driving factor in the name change was not DEI and inclusiveness as alluded to in this thread, but the 2.46 Billion dollar law suit that was filed against BSA. This forced BSA to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The name change to Scouting America was part of a rebranding effort that was associated with the bankruptcy filing. In reality it had very little to do with DEI.
Second, while their are now girls in scouting I can tell folks here that after almost 4 years of going to weekly scout meetings, that 90+% of the time that the boys and girls naturally segregate at troop meetings and outings. The boys hang with the boys and vice versa. FWIW, I've seen female scouts that would run circles around the average boy in this country in an outdoor setting (hiking, camping, etc.) I was skeptical about it when we first joined, but I have not seen it to be an issue.
Finally, the biggest criticism here seems to be about the “DEI stuff,” which I think mainly refers to the Citizenship in Society merit badge. Despite what some would like you to believe, this badge isn’t corporate-style DEI that forces quotas, politics, or leadership based on identity. It simply teaches Scouts that some people are different than us. It teaches them to treat other people with respect, understand different perspectives, and be ethical leaders. It reinforces values already in the Scout Oath and Law. That is being helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, and respectful. There’s no required personal disclosure, no beliefs required to be followed, and no judgements of those that are different than us. The badge doesn’t place people in leadership because of their differences. It simply helps Scouts recognize those differences so they can work together better as a team. (As a FYI, in our first troop we had boys and girls, Christian, Catholic, LDS, Muslim and scouts that were atheistic/agnostic. We also opened and closed every meeting with a prayer.)
We've been in a couple of troops in my kids tenure and let me assure you that scout leadership in the troops when it comes to Sr Patrol leader and Patrol leader (etc) is still the same popularity contest it was when we were in scouts and most of the time true leadership skills have very little to do with the selections.
For example, here are a few of the requirements of the Citizenship in Society Merit badge.
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4 Repeat the Scout Oath and Scout Law for your counselor. Choose TWO of the following scenarios and discuss what you could do as a Scout to demonstrate leadership and your understanding of what it means to help others who may seem different from you:
(a) Scenario 1: While at camp, a youth accidentally spills food on another camper. The camper who gets spilled on gets angry and says something that is offensive to people with disabilities; their friends laugh. What could/should you do?
(b) Scenario 2: Your friend confides in you that some students in school are making insulting comments about one of their identities, and that those same students created a fake social media account to impersonate your friend online and post messages. What could/should you do?
(c) Scenario 3: A new student in your class was born in another country (or has a parent who was born in another country). Your friends make rude comments to the student about their speech or clothes and tell the student to "go back home where you came from." What could/should you do?
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6 With your parent or guardian's approval, connect with another Scout or youth your own age who has an identity that's different from yours. (This means a trait, belief, or characteristic different from you.)
(a) Share with each other what makes the different aspect of your identity meaningful/special to you
(b) Share with each other ONE of the following Options:
(i) Option 1: A time you felt excluded from a group.
- What was the situation?
- How did it make you feel?
- What did you do?
- Did anyone stand up for you?
- What did you learn?
- Would you do anything differently today?
(ii) Option 2: This imaginary situation: You're attending a new school and don't know anyone there yet. You notice they dress very differently than you do. At lunchtime, you decide you'll try to sit with a group to get to know other students. People at two tables tell you there is someone sitting at the currently empty seat at their table, so you end up eating by yourself.
- How would that make you feel?
- What could the students have done?
- If that happened at your school, what would you do?
c Discuss with your counselor what you learned from the discussion with the other Scout or youth.
As you can see, the situations here are ones that all kids are likely to run into in day to day life. By thinking about what to do in those situations, it gives them the tools to better cope with them if if were to happen again. When my kid did this badge, I think he talked to a Muslim scout for #6.
This post was edited on 11/26/25 at 8:05 am
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:43 am to Penrod
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Yeah, screw that! DEI must be destroyed. Scouts is part of the problem. They need to renounce and reform that crap or we should abandon the organization.
How are you going to destroy it if you aren’t a leader in it actively teaching these merit badges the way you want to teach them? I’m there making sure the kids get the program I think they should get, what about you?
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:29 am to Lonnie Utah
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First off, regarding the name change from BSA to Scouting America. The largest driving factor in the name change was not DEI and inclusiveness
quote:https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/heres-why-the-boy-scouts-of-america-are-rebranding
“It sends this really strong message to everyone in America that they can come to this program, they can bring their authentic self, they can be who they are and they will be welcomed here,” said Roger Krone, who took over last fall as president and chief executive officer.
Why are they changing the name?
The new name puts a focus on inclusivity. Krone told The Associated Press that they wanted a name going forward that made clear that all children and teens are “very, very welcome.”
quote:https://www.newsweek.com/boy-scouts-scouting-america-name-change-2028459
In May 2024, the group said they would change its name to Scouting America in a push for inclusivity, which sparked fierce backlash on social media, with an online petition floating around that urged the organization to "reconsider this decision and respect the heritage that has made us who we are today."
…The organization said this week that all young people, including transgender children, are welcomed as part of their membership policy.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:40 am to Penrod
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Scouts is part of the problem. They need to renounce and reform that crap or we should abandon the organization
Yikes
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:11 am to dallastigers
Fair enough, but what you posted was the spin from the organization and not the real driving factors behind it. Let me put it this way, would you rater say "We're changing our name so we can no longer be sued for what happened in the 80's-90's and 2000's" or "We're changing our name to be more welcoming to the girls who are now part of the organization"?
This post was edited on 11/26/25 at 11:12 am
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:15 am to TheHarahanian
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Eagle Scout used to be a big deal when I was young. Not now, and it’s because the former BSA gave ground again and again until the organization has no standards
Huge honor to be an Eagle Scout. Huge.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:20 am to ghost2most
The boy and girl scouts got ruined, purposefully.
They were intentionally targeted for destruction because they used to be positive for kids.
They are now horrible organizations no longer worthy of anyone supporting them.
There are alternatives much better.
They were intentionally targeted for destruction because they used to be positive for kids.
They are now horrible organizations no longer worthy of anyone supporting them.
There are alternatives much better.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:24 am to Swamp Angel
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Scouting today does not resemble scouting of former generations in even the least. It used to teach self-reliance and provide a good moral base. Now, it teaches very little regarding woodscraft, survival, first aid, citizenship, etc.
My boys are in boy scouts and they do all of this. Camping, survival, first aid, acts of service in the community, proper way to stand for pledge and fold the flag, etc.
No girls in it either.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:32 am to StansberryRules
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They are now horrible organizations no longer worthy of anyone supporting them.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:33 am to CatfishJohn
A lot of people are fed up with the national organization, with good reason. But most local troops are great with very good kids.
It all comes down to leadership. The national organization's leaders are paid shills obsessed with being pc. Your local troop is run by volunteer dads, who usually have the kids' best interest first.
It all comes down to leadership. The national organization's leaders are paid shills obsessed with being pc. Your local troop is run by volunteer dads, who usually have the kids' best interest first.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 12:22 pm to ghost2most
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She's one of 2-3 girls in her pack. I don't see how little kids being co-ed in Scouts hurts anything. I
It was always BOY Scouts. It taught boys how to be men. Allowing girls in ruined it all. Congratulations for being part of the destruction.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 1:22 pm to ghost2most
You’re the reason my kid isn’t doing scouts, idiot parents. And I’m an Eagle Scout
Posted on 11/26/25 at 2:54 pm to Dam Guide
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How are you going to destroy it if you aren’t a leader in it actively teaching these merit badges the way you want to teach them?
By boycotting.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 3:12 pm to ghost2most
I ran a Girl Scout troop for my oldest girl for 5 years and I helped my husband with a pack for many years, too.
My oldest did not continue with Girl Scouts because I was just too burnt out to do everything for the troop by myself. Some other moms would pitch in once in a while, but I did all the planning.
My husband and my older two boys are Eagle Scouts - my third son should make Eagle within a year or two - my youngest son is a scout but doesn’t really care.
After being involved in these organizations for many years - I have come to this conclusion - Cub scouts are a lot more family friendly than Girl Scouts - so cubs should be boys and girls until it’s time to cross over - then have Boy Scouts separate from Girl Scouts - like it used to be.
Boy Scouts should’ve never taken the girls and instead helped the Girl Scouts improve - there are many things each organization could’ve learned from each other. Now, both organizations are just a mess.
My youngest daughter is not in Scouts. I’m not putting her in a troop or in a pack. She learns enough from her older brothers.
This board does not want to hear this but people will volunteer a lot more for their sons than they will for their daughters. The Troop we are in never has problems with finding volunteers. However, if Girl Scouts would’ve been more family friendly - then maybe more would volunteer.
My oldest did not continue with Girl Scouts because I was just too burnt out to do everything for the troop by myself. Some other moms would pitch in once in a while, but I did all the planning.
My husband and my older two boys are Eagle Scouts - my third son should make Eagle within a year or two - my youngest son is a scout but doesn’t really care.
After being involved in these organizations for many years - I have come to this conclusion - Cub scouts are a lot more family friendly than Girl Scouts - so cubs should be boys and girls until it’s time to cross over - then have Boy Scouts separate from Girl Scouts - like it used to be.
Boy Scouts should’ve never taken the girls and instead helped the Girl Scouts improve - there are many things each organization could’ve learned from each other. Now, both organizations are just a mess.
My youngest daughter is not in Scouts. I’m not putting her in a troop or in a pack. She learns enough from her older brothers.
This board does not want to hear this but people will volunteer a lot more for their sons than they will for their daughters. The Troop we are in never has problems with finding volunteers. However, if Girl Scouts would’ve been more family friendly - then maybe more would volunteer.
Posted on 11/26/25 at 3:35 pm to Penrod
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By boycotting.
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