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re: Will the millennials be a lost generation?
Posted on 8/5/15 at 6:53 pm to PrideofTheSEC
Posted on 8/5/15 at 6:53 pm to PrideofTheSEC
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Just curious, what generation am I in? Born in 92. Thought I was a millennial
IMO, 1992 is the end of my generation. Honestly, I'd say the world is changing so quickly now, that there's no reason for a generation to extend more than 10 years. Any person that can't very vividly remember a time before 9/11 and when the internet ran our lives sure as shite didn't grow up in my generation. We have nothing really in common with them. To say that a generation is from 1980 to 2000 is just ridiculous. I guarantee that a 60 year old man born in 1960 chatting with a 40 year old born in 1980 will on average have much more in common, than this scenario when the guy born in 1980 is 60 and is talking with a 40 year old born in 2000.
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Posted on 8/5/15 at 6:59 pm to GetCocky11
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If this is a genuine post, then I almost have to agree. You can make the argument that they have and are still continually breaking this country. They also don't understand why there is so much angst out there against them.
They also tell a hilariously edited version of history where they were the people behind things like the Civil Rights movement when it was really the greatest generation and the silent generation (if you boomers doubt this do some basic math- King died in 68, the oldest of the post WW2 boomers was 23- thus the vast bulk of the CRM and virtually all of its leadership were pre-Boomer.
Hell, the same is true for much of the Music of the 60s bought by some Boomers but made by those before them.
Boomer music- try Disco.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:02 pm to OMLandshark
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than this scenario when the guy born in 1980 is 60 and is talking with a 40 year old born in 2000.
that is the reason I question why they dumped Gen Y
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:07 pm to TDsngumbo
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They're paying the price of their parents and grandparents making stupid life decisions.
fify
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:25 pm to CadesCove
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If millennials had a work ethic and some loyalty
I know this was on the first page and there's been 11 pages of this thread since, but shut the frick up.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:26 pm to TigerintheNO
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that is the reason I question why they dumped Gen Y
Same scenario, this time with a 40 year old guy born in 1980 talking to a 30 year old born in 1990, and they'll have much more in common than when the 1990 guy is 40 talking to a guy born in 2000 who is 30. There is just such a big difference between someone born in 91 and 98.
I can't think of a more sharp divide in a generation. They grew up in a completely different reality than we did it's not even funny. It wasn't until 2003 when the true social part of the Internet kicked in, with MySpace and 4chan. Kids born 95 and after can't remember a time when they weren't completely and entirely bombarded with technology and being connected at all times. It wasn't until I was a junior in high school that I did things with the computer besides typing and playing my friends online on Age of Empires. Not to mention they can not remember a time before pointless fear mongering is: 9/11.
It's another reason that the OP has a point, in that we may be another Lost Generation, or as I put it, fricked Generation. The previous Lost Generation didn't get a single president elected. Not one person born from 1924-1946 was elected president which is a 22 fricking year gap between the ages of Bush and Clinton, and I can see history repeating itself since I do think the next generation will have better skills than we were taught at a young age. They'll understand computers and technology and its place in the world far better than any preceding generation will and they'll run laps around people born in the 80s and early 90s when it comes to adapting to this new world. So we'll get fricked by our parents, and then as education only continues to improve, when Gen X takes over, they may opt to go for the generation who as a whole understand technology more than just Instagram. I do think we're a generation of idealists that is doomed to become a generation of cynics at the end of it.
This post was edited on 8/5/15 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:31 pm to montanagator
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Hell, the same is true for much of the Music of the 60s bought by some Boomers but made by those before them.
That's not entirely true. Boomers born in the late forties were in their twenties in the late sixties.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:32 pm to OMLandshark
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I do think we're a generation of idealists that is doomed to become a generation of cynics at the end of it.
Already there.
There are days I also believe that my generation and the millenials will see the return of a caste system rather than a meritocracy. We've already highlighted how those that get decent jobs after graduation (high school or university) get those jobs through networking or nepotism (I certainly did in all three cases). There will soon be a sharp divide between those that can afford the minimum required education without crippling debt and have the connections to use their degree and those who cannot and will become a permanent, albeit over educated, underclass....until the revolution.
ETA: And being a lost generation isn't so bad. The last one produced some of the finest writers, artists and poets the world has ever known.
This post was edited on 8/5/15 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:48 pm to OMLandshark
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Not one person born from 1924-1946 was elected president which is a 22 fricking year gap between the ages of Bush and Clinton, and I can see history repeating itself since I do think the next generation will have better skills than we were taught at a young age.
That's because Walter Mondale ,Michael Dukakis and John Kerry all would have been shitty presidents.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:50 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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Already there.
As soon as I posted that, I thought to myself, "Who the frick am I kidding? We've already made it." It is a major fault of our generation as a whole, and I am quite guilty of it. But I do think we have every reason to be cynical, because we know what's happened and we have a damn good idea what is coming. As the great George Carlin once said:
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Inside every cynical person is a disappointed idealist.
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There are days I also believe that my generation and the millenials will see the return of a caste system rather than a meritocracy. We've already highlighted how those that get decent jobs after graduation (high school or university) get those jobs through networking or nepotism (I certainly did in all three cases). There will soon be a sharp divide between those that can afford the minimum required education without crippling debt and have the connections to use their degree and those who cannot and will become a permanent, albeit over educated, underclass....until the revolution
I agree that our generation is doomed to fight a major war in which hundreds of millions will die, and I think it will conveniently happen when 95% of Baby Boomers are dead, and then per usual, we take all the shite for something I really think is unstoppable at this point unless we as a society completely rethink our priorities. That idiot earlier in the thread who said we only think in the short term and want immediate gratification, I don't know how to respond to him. We are now a society totally consumed with the immediate, mostly thanks to the Boomers, and the Boomers don't give a frick about anyone other than themselves.all we think about is 4 years in the future, and then we don't give a frick after that. As I said I think my generation are idealists that are going to realize that mankind is probably going to start living much longer and that we must stop being self centered assholes and think truly in the long term. Of course people born in the early 2000s will get all the credit for that progressive line of thinking, but there's the cynic coming out in me again.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 8:13 pm to OMLandshark
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As soon as I posted that, I thought to myself, "Who the frick am I kidding? We've already made it." It is a major fault of our generation as a whole, and I am quite guilty of it. But I do think we have every reason to be cynical, because we know what's happened and we have a damn good idea what is coming.
God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shite we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
This quote from Fight Club doesn't apply to millenials. It applies to the stop gap generation we have been discussing. We are all cynical as frick. Why? Because we saw this wonderful technology come into being. Hell, we invented it in large part. It was supposed to change society for the better and bring us all together. It was supposed to be the start of the Golden Age of humanity -- or that's what we were told.
Instead, that generation's -- my generation's -- gift to the world didn't do any of those things. It did the opposite. It split rather than united. Brought disharmony and hate rather than harmony and understanding. Rather than knowledge it brought noise.
Cynical? Yeah, that kind of happens when your generation is going to be famous for Free Porn and Ebay.
Buy like you said, there's always violent revolution by millenials to make us look better by comparison.
Like Tiberius and Caligula.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 8:20 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
It's hilarious that people are making all these judgments and bullshite based on a generation that hasn't started it's life yet.
The good ones, the ones who will change the world, are still in lawschool, med school, grad school, etc... or just recently graduated.
We're still working our way up the ladder, we're still putting out foot in the door. We're keeping our nose to the grindstone and putting in the time. Paying our dues.
Those who think this generation won't accomplish anything are wrong. The vast majority of our generation that is a bunch if overentitled social media driven ultratriggered dipshits only inspire and motivate those of us who were raised right to work harder to get into position to shut those people the frick up.
We know there's a divide in the world between those who work and those who mooch. The Internet and social media have made those that mooch and those that don't contribute into a recognizable group. And further that group is vocal. They set themselves apart and not in a good way.
The old manipulative dipshits in the current government continue to pander to and pamper these fricktards.
The milenials might be the generation that finally sets the country back in the right direction. A direction opposite that of FDR's ancient bloated leftover remains plaguing this society.
That, or the country will either split in half or go to war again. There's no possible way this country continues on its current path. It'll either get straighted up, or the great government nipple will finally dry up and we can deal with it then.
The good ones, the ones who will change the world, are still in lawschool, med school, grad school, etc... or just recently graduated.
We're still working our way up the ladder, we're still putting out foot in the door. We're keeping our nose to the grindstone and putting in the time. Paying our dues.
Those who think this generation won't accomplish anything are wrong. The vast majority of our generation that is a bunch if overentitled social media driven ultratriggered dipshits only inspire and motivate those of us who were raised right to work harder to get into position to shut those people the frick up.
We know there's a divide in the world between those who work and those who mooch. The Internet and social media have made those that mooch and those that don't contribute into a recognizable group. And further that group is vocal. They set themselves apart and not in a good way.
The old manipulative dipshits in the current government continue to pander to and pamper these fricktards.
The milenials might be the generation that finally sets the country back in the right direction. A direction opposite that of FDR's ancient bloated leftover remains plaguing this society.
That, or the country will either split in half or go to war again. There's no possible way this country continues on its current path. It'll either get straighted up, or the great government nipple will finally dry up and we can deal with it then.
This post was edited on 8/5/15 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:07 pm to GetCocky11
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but some of the graphs the OP lists are incredibly misleading.
The y-axis in two of those graphics is in 1% increments.
Outstanding student loans have increased from 3% to 8% true. But the graph is comparing two types of loans (car and credit) that are dischargeable via default or bankruptcy versus student loans which are usually never forgivable--so of course the amount outstanding loans will increase.
Also a drop in true home ownership from 15% to 13% seems fairly understandable given the current economic climate.
The y-axis in two of those graphics is in 1% increments.
Outstanding student loans have increased from 3% to 8% true. But the graph is comparing two types of loans (car and credit) that are dischargeable via default or bankruptcy versus student loans which are usually never forgivable--so of course the amount outstanding loans will increase.
Also a drop in true home ownership from 15% to 13% seems fairly understandable given the current economic climate.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:13 pm to GetCocky11
Sadly a lot of millennials do live with their parents well into their 20's. I used to know people with very legitimate professional jobs who were CPAs and living with their parents for several years after college graduation.
However, they are saving a ton on rent and probably have plenty of money in the bank.
However, they are saving a ton on rent and probably have plenty of money in the bank.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:36 pm to Pkin
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Sadly
Why is that sad?
Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:50 pm to Breesus
Well... I haven't lived with my parents since I was 18 and I could never imagine moving back. I would feel like my life was falling apart since I'm so used to being independent.
It's just strange when I see people my age living with their parents... for me that seems like a lifetime ago.
It's just strange when I see people my age living with their parents... for me that seems like a lifetime ago.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:54 pm to TejasHorn
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That last graph is the real problem but don't tell it to all the CEOs and oil barons on the poli board.
One of the choices is variable upon population, while the other one is not.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 9:57 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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Post WWI (WWI vets and right around there) is generally considered the classic "lost generation".
Oh you mean the men who built the infrastructure this country needed to win WWII?
Well, they may not get the recognition they deserve, but to say they didn't contribute anything - aka was "lost" - is a load of horse manure.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:06 pm to GetCocky11
Also, buying a home isn't as glorified in our generation. Millennials value gaining life experiences, when the older generations were more likely to buy a home and live in the same place for their entire lives. The idea of that is really depressing to me. Millennials tend to move several times and experience living in multiple cities before settling down.
I'd like to buy a condo or small house in the near future as an investment, but being a landlord would also be a burden.
I'd like to buy a condo or small house in the near future as an investment, but being a landlord would also be a burden.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 10:11 pm to Pkin
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Also, buying a home isn't as glorified in our generation. Millennials value gaining life experiences, when the older generations were more likely to buy a home and live in the same place for their entire lives. The idea of that is really depressing to me. Millennials tend to move several times and experience living in multiple cities before settling down.
Yeah as anyone who knows me on this site or has seen my posts will tell you I'm very much a nomad. Yet I'm a productive member of society who pays his taxes and invests in his economy in his own way. Investing in a house would be outright insanity for me at this point in my life and would only function to light tens of thousands of dollars on fire. Sorry if I don't feel pressured to follow in the preceding generations' mistakes.
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