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re: WTF happened to JonBenet?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:46 pm to RealityTiger
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:46 pm to RealityTiger
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Just as a side note, who is the fricking dipshit(s) going through this whole thread and downvoting just about every reply?
Probably someone who is tired of seeing this thread.
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Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:52 pm to HaveMercy
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If Burke did do it, which I think he did, the parents didn't strangle her.
Well Burke sure didn't tie the knot on the garrote that's for sure so they were very closely involved with her strangulation
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:54 pm to efrad
I think if anyone in the house knows how to put a child in that s&m garote hogtie in which movement induces strangulation is:
1) experienced in s&m
2) a world war 1 foot soldier
3) in the creepiest boy scout den in the history of scouting
Knowing how to do that is pretty incriminating.
1) experienced in s&m
2) a world war 1 foot soldier
3) in the creepiest boy scout den in the history of scouting
Knowing how to do that is pretty incriminating.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:55 pm to efrad
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Right. It's not exactly a stretch to think that someone could tell things were too foregone for a kid who suffered major brain trauma.
Yea it's just jacked up nothing was done about it for that little girl. Personally, I hadn't even thought of this case in a long time until the anniversary documentaries came about.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:58 pm to RobbBobb
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uh, she was found in the basement
Found yes but killed there no.
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The basement window was open, and the glass was broken. You stand near an open window and scream in a quiet neighborhood, and if someone is up, they will hear it
So was the neighbors window open too I mean are you serious? Either you have shitty windows and doors or you were outside when you heard the scream.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 1:58 pm to Salamander_Wilson
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think the killer broke into the house when they left for the party. He hid there until they returned and went to sleep. During this time he constructs the ransomed note.
He then went to jonbenet's bedroom and tazed her, bound her and duck taped her mouth.
He carried her to the basement and tied her up. Sexually abused her and in the middle of this she wakes up and starts making noise so he hits her over the head with something.
He then leaves the house and watches from somewhere nearby. This man evidently knew John because of the personal things in the ransome note. He knew John had $118000 easily accessible and asked for this because he knew he didn't have much time before the body would be found and the 'kidnapping' jig would be up. This would have worked had Patsy not called the police like she was instructed not to do.
When the killer saw all the police swarming around he realized he'd never get the money and fled.
These two statements contradict each other. Why would he write the ransom note with the $118K figure because he knew the money would be quickly accessible if he didn't plan on killing her?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:03 pm to nvasil1
One that special they were going to talk to Fleet White. He was their good friend who they called 2 minutes after they called 911 and he took Burke to his house. He went back to the Ramsey house and was with John when he found her. He was willing to talk but not on camera. He said he has some major information about what really happened. I must have missed it if he did give an interview off camera for them. But it is pretty telling that he is no longer friends with John.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:06 pm to Soup Sammich
Bunch of damn YogaGirl posters in here, hood lord
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:09 pm to SuperSaint
Yeah because an unsolved murder is on the same level as the government dropping chemicals on the population from a jet in the sky.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:20 pm to SuperSaint
So what really happened?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:29 pm to Soup Sammich
It probably took a lot of convincing to get John on board and he may regret it to this day. It will be interesting what comes out after he dies. I don't think we've learned the last of it.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 2:45 pm to WestSideTiger
I don't know why but John comes off as truthful and a likeable guy. Without knowing what has come out, I would have said no way was he in on it. The mom seemed fake but I still thought all 3 were innocent. But I just don't see anyway possible for all 3 of them to be innocent now. They all had a part in it. The question is how they did it and why. I truly believe that the son did it whether accidently or on purpose and the parents made a terrible decision to cover for him. They were probably in shock but still loved their son. Burke had major problems from the shitting all over the bathrooms and JonBenet's room to his social skills. I would expect the friends like Fleet White to come out eventually with a tell all book but they are scared for some reason. It's just a really sad and interesting mystery that fascinates me like the OJ murders.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 3:42 pm to fatboydave
Watched only a little of the Special, and I never followed this case much through the years.
What was the explanation for a killer coming into the house, leaving a ransom note, but killing the girl and leaving her there?
I don't get why there'd be a note. even if it was all a set up, why would the Ramseys leave a note unless they planned to entirely get rid of the body?
What was the explanation for a killer coming into the house, leaving a ransom note, but killing the girl and leaving her there?
I don't get why there'd be a note. even if it was all a set up, why would the Ramseys leave a note unless they planned to entirely get rid of the body?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:01 pm to shel311
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I don't get why there'd be a note. even if it was all a set up, why would the Ramseys leave a note unless they planned to entirely get rid of the body?
It was a dumb idea made in the moment, in shock, under extreme stress and probably intoxication (they'd been at a Christmas party).
They probably thought it would make people think it was a kidnapping gone wrong. And... I mean... that is what it did, ultimately. They did get away with it after all.
Also, I think they may have thought about getting rid of the body before realizing that their car would be seen leaving (and probably other doubts about pulling it off as well - this is Boulder in winter, not a place with liquid lakes or an ocean nearby).
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:16 pm to Cooter Davenport
quote:Gotcha.
was a dumb idea made in the moment, in shock, under extreme stress and probably intoxication (they'd been at a Christmas party).
Yea, I can't see any reason why a person breaks into your house, handwrites a 3 page letter at your house, then hits the girl in the head, breaking her skull and killing her. That doesn't add up.
Burke's a pretty strange kid, we know. I'm surprised, if he had something to do with it, that they weren't able to easily get it out of him.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 4:33 pm to Soup Sammich
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One that special they were going to talk to Fleet White. He was their good friend who they called 2 minutes after they called 911 and he took Burke to his house. He went back to the Ramsey house and was with John when he found her. He was willing to talk but not on camera. He said he has some major information about what really happened. I must have missed it if he did give an interview off camera for them. But it is pretty telling that he is no longer friends with John.
There's an interview out there with Fleet and his wife. I stumbled over it some months back. I think it's old. They sounded pretty sour grapes to me, though. It was sort of a mix in way, but mostly sour grapes.
If Burke did any of it, I'm surprised he and his father agreed to be interviewed or that his father didn't talk him out of being interviewed. In spite of popular belief, I'm not sold on a family member doing it. I just can't see the parents finishing off that girl and I can't see Burke knowing anything about a garotte. I see the arguments on both sides.
ETA: Here's the article I read a while back.
LINK
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 6:22 pm to Gris Gris
Interesting reading. Leads me to suspect the parents even more
Dad is a cool cucumber. Appears that he is rarely fazed. I can now see him staging the scene with little emotion
Interesting that they wanted Burke away from the investigation, even before the body was found. My child would never have left my sight. Much less be sent away where there was no police presence, while having a letter stating that I was being watched.
The mom wrote that ransom note. Why else would she alter your handwriting in later years?
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Current Boulder DA Garnett turned the investigation back over to the police. He insists that he isn't bound by former DA Lacy's exoneration letter -- which he's described as "weird" and "a stretch"
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John Ramsey wasn't known for displaying emotion -- Fleet, who'd done a lot of sailing with him in rough weather, had admired his
calm in even the worst storms
Dad is a cool cucumber. Appears that he is rarely fazed. I can now see him staging the scene with little emotion
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He and John collected Burke Ramsey from his room, and Fleet drove him to the Whites' house, to keep him away from the awful situation.
Interesting that they wanted Burke away from the investigation, even before the body was found. My child would never have left my sight. Much less be sent away where there was no police presence, while having a letter stating that I was being watched.
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It was a melodramatic epic, full of odd lines from movies ("Don't try to grow a brain") and squiggly, palsied lettering, as if the writer was trying to disguise his handwriting.
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Whites continued to receive little notes and cards from the Ramseys, but nothing they regarded as a serious invitation to get together. Priscilla noticed that Patsy's handwriting was different, altered in several respects from what it had been before the death of JonBenét.
The mom wrote that ransom note. Why else would she alter your handwriting in later years?
Posted on 9/23/16 at 6:50 pm to RobbBobb
I fully believe it's a coverup from something happening inside the home among the family..
However, I did watch another segment on this that went through all the possible suspects.. and there was some ex army guy who another guy turned in who believes did it.. the guy had mentioned to him what it might be like to crack a skull.. and he was into harming animals in a sick manner. the guy eventually killed himself. They say he did have a taser.
I believe if it was an intruder he would be someone in good shape and possible military background by some of the actions. I still can't imagine a twisted intruder like that leaving such a note, especially so specific.. and it still seems like a note a woman would write with certain phrases and exact amounts. I don't see this guy writing, "use that southern charm John"
I just can't see any intruder using such phrases.. and constantly naming John but no other family members.. no other threats.. and it's absolutely not the guy who was just a sick and infatuated with her.. I actually believe that guy would admit if it was him.. he seemed obsessed over her, but didn't seem bright enough to write such a note.
I also don't believe those marks were from a taser.. and it's very telling how they determined the initial blow was done well before any of the other acts.. like an hour or so.. i don't remember, but it makes you wonder just how much time would this possible intruder have had.. with such comfort. just still seems coverup from something going down inside the own on Christmas evening.
However, I did watch another segment on this that went through all the possible suspects.. and there was some ex army guy who another guy turned in who believes did it.. the guy had mentioned to him what it might be like to crack a skull.. and he was into harming animals in a sick manner. the guy eventually killed himself. They say he did have a taser.
I believe if it was an intruder he would be someone in good shape and possible military background by some of the actions. I still can't imagine a twisted intruder like that leaving such a note, especially so specific.. and it still seems like a note a woman would write with certain phrases and exact amounts. I don't see this guy writing, "use that southern charm John"
I just can't see any intruder using such phrases.. and constantly naming John but no other family members.. no other threats.. and it's absolutely not the guy who was just a sick and infatuated with her.. I actually believe that guy would admit if it was him.. he seemed obsessed over her, but didn't seem bright enough to write such a note.
I also don't believe those marks were from a taser.. and it's very telling how they determined the initial blow was done well before any of the other acts.. like an hour or so.. i don't remember, but it makes you wonder just how much time would this possible intruder have had.. with such comfort. just still seems coverup from something going down inside the own on Christmas evening.
This post was edited on 9/23/16 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 9/23/16 at 7:02 pm to beauchristopher
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They say he did have a taser.
JB wasnt tazed.
Posted on 9/23/16 at 7:12 pm to MasterofTigerBait
Autopsy / crime scene pictures are available online for those that are interested.
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