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re: Oilfield Moratorium
Posted on 6/2/10 at 5:23 pm to offshoretrash
Posted on 6/2/10 at 5:23 pm to offshoretrash
Is that not what Canada does? I mean, that makes sense and I am not firm on technical aspects, but I seem to recall hearing some pretty convincing arguements that no matter what, with their system, you're only a few days away from a relief well in the event one of them blows out. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
eta. Or feel free to get overly emotional and cry like you bitches seem to like doing. Get some therapy or let me kick you in the hairy patch where your balls used to be.
eta. Or feel free to get overly emotional and cry like you bitches seem to like doing. Get some therapy or let me kick you in the hairy patch where your balls used to be.
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 5:24 pm
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Posted on 6/2/10 at 5:27 pm to Big McLargeHuge
LET ME PUT IT TO YOU THIS WAY.
You can either make a post without insulting people or you can get the frick out.
You can either make a post without insulting people or you can get the frick out.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 5:29 pm to TigerFred
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TigerFred
I'll settle down as well but they are getting to me with their dumbness!
Posted on 6/2/10 at 5:30 pm to Big McLargeHuge
quote:Monkey see, monkey do. They eat monkey brains in some places. Should we start doing that too?
Is that not what Canada does?
quote:Up until a few weeks ago.. I seem to recall that no matter what, with their system, a blowout could be prevented. It's called a Blow Out Preventer. Oh wait... My point is... nothing is risk free or infailable. A moritorium doesn't increase their reliabilty one bit.
but I seem to recall hearing some pretty convincing arguements that no matter what, with their system, you're only a few days away from a relief well in the event one of them blows out.
quote:By your admission, you aren't "firm" on drilling techinques and risks; unlike many of the brain trust on this board. Some are even in the risk assessment side of the buisness. It is you that's making the emotional argument.
I am not firm on technical aspects
...
Or feel free to get overly emotional and cry like you bitches seem to like doing
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 6/2/10 at 5:30 pm to TigerFred
Fred thats the only thing he can do being that he is ignorant of the subject matter.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 5:49 pm to offshoretrash
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offshoretrash
quote:
Sid you are a fricking idiot and you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about. If you don't work out here you know nothing about the regulations that are already in place to prevent a blow out. The ONLY thing that does need improvement what happens if you do have one.
Whooooooa...Settle down there TRASH. I know plenty about offshore regulations.
I feel bad for anyone who may have their life turned upside down by this. I really feel for the friends and families of the 11 dead. I also am still optimistic that this well is controlled in the next 14 days,and capped in the next 60 days. I also realize there is the possibility that it will flow for 9 months to a year. If that is the case, it will spill intermittently as the FPSO (that I presume will show up soon)has to drop the production riser in advance of a storm.
6 month ban on all deepwater drilling might be extreme.....
1) we know 11 people died
2) we know the spill continues and industries best efforts have not slowed it yet
3) we do not know why the blowout happened
4) we do not know why the BOP did not function properly
5) we do not know how to prevent this from happeneing again (regardless of how unlikely it is).
I live in New Orleans. This will kill our and the surrounding economies. I hope the moratorium is shortened to 30 days (or less) but I don't think there is a chance in hell of drilling resuming before this well is under control.
If industry stepped forward with concrete recommendations to increase confidence in BOP's and blowout response, that would help. Containing / capping the blowout would help also.
I hope venting in here and calling me a fricking idiot helped you cope. I do feel for all those involved, especially if they were impacted by Katrina or Rita or Ike or Ivan, etc.......Good Luck.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 5:58 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
Sid sorry about the fricking idiot part.
Ok yes we do know what to do to preven thtis from happening again we have been doing it for over 30yrs in deep water. DO you guys think this is the first well in deep water? hell we where drilling in 5000 foot of water 20 yrs ago now we go to 10,000ft.
Again we already have this in place, it's call a concrete log. Maybe MMS should have the final say so from now on on whether or not to squeeze.
You guys make it sound as we are a reckless bunch of rednecks not knowing what we are doing. The public has no idea what goes on while drilling a deepwater well and all the training the men have to take. Safety is our #1 concern and I truely believe that.
Ok yes we do know what to do to preven thtis from happening again we have been doing it for over 30yrs in deep water. DO you guys think this is the first well in deep water? hell we where drilling in 5000 foot of water 20 yrs ago now we go to 10,000ft.
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If industry stepped forward with concrete recommendations
Again we already have this in place, it's call a concrete log. Maybe MMS should have the final say so from now on on whether or not to squeeze.
You guys make it sound as we are a reckless bunch of rednecks not knowing what we are doing. The public has no idea what goes on while drilling a deepwater well and all the training the men have to take. Safety is our #1 concern and I truely believe that.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 6:02 pm to offshoretrash
Until there are definite answers for statements 3 and 4 (eta: and 5), the safety procedures are inadequate.
ETA 2: The moratorium is a political decision. For it to be raised any time soon, the leak has to be stopped and the answers to the points above have to be made (or the political winds have to shift far enough to make it happen).
ETA 2: The moratorium is a political decision. For it to be raised any time soon, the leak has to be stopped and the answers to the points above have to be made (or the political winds have to shift far enough to make it happen).
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 6/2/10 at 6:05 pm to CrazyTigerFan
We don't know how the blow out happened and why the BOP failed, but we know the BOP's should be tested and we know what causes blow outs. If we didn't know the answers then we would have never been able to drill in the first place.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 6:10 pm to offshoretrash
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You guys make it sound as we are a reckless bunch of rednecks not knowing what we are doing.
Not at all. I do think we need to get to the root cause of this before we can have confidence in the system. Depending on the findings, changes should be made.
I do believe the changes can be made without a 6 month moratorium. The affected people need to make the case to the public about why the moratorium is unreasonable. I believe they will. Not sure the public will listen.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 6:17 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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I do think we need to get to the root cause
The root cause was they displaced the mud with sea water before they set the cement plug and the cement job failed. This is not that hard to fix. What happen next was a result of these actions.
It doesn't take 6 months to figure that out.
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 6/2/10 at 6:19 pm to offshoretrash
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The root cause was they displaced the mud with sea water before they set the cement plug and the cement job failed.
maybe.
Gotta go. TTYL
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 6/2/10 at 7:29 pm to TigerFred
quote:
TJG210
It has started (The PG edition)
I'm sure if the unions had their tentacles around the O&G industry he would be bowing down and defending it to the best of his ability. Then again, if it were largely unionized, all operations would have been moved overseas years ago.
This. Obama loves labor unions and vice versa. Unions hate the offshore oil industry because they have tried to establish themselves in the industry and have been pushed away for the most part. Obama will get a lot more votes from union and anti-drilling/environmental folks for this move.
Posted on 6/2/10 at 10:23 pm to offshoretrash
quote:Well said. Some people act as if BP execs were sitting around the office one day and said "Hey, why don't we make a blow out. We love pollution and killing workers! <evil laughter>" Most folks have no idea what happens out there. And most of all they fear what they don't understand.
The public has no idea what goes on while drilling a deepwater well and all the training the men have to take. Safety is our #1 concern and I truely believe that.
This post was edited on 6/2/10 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 6/3/10 at 6:52 pm to Taxing Authority
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You never said can from what i can see. And yes there is a possibility that this can be very bad for the ecosystem. Do I think it will, not very likely, This thing would have to flow for another year for it to start doing long term damage imho. In the late 70's there was a spill in the gulf much larger that flowed for over a year. The area had very little long term damage and sure arse hell didn't ruin the "food source" as you keep saying. And I brought up me being in the Gulf to reiterate that the ecosystem as of right now is fine.
...and you recieved your PhD in Marine Ecology, Biology, Oceanography, etc. from where? Again, a roustabout giving the 'OK' based upon mindless staring at the water is pathetic.....idiotic at best.
The more you speak, the brighter your dimly lit bulb shines.
Keep it up
Posted on 6/3/10 at 7:38 pm to CharlesLSU
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and you recieved your PhD in Marine Ecology, Biology, Oceanography, etc. from where?
Since you seem to be the foremost leading expert on the subject I would like to here from where yours is from. How can you possible be sure that the ecosystem is irreconcilably damaged? Why dont you just admit that you can't and that we will not know the extent of the damage for some time. But like I said you are by far the most knowledgeable person on the subject so why dont you prove me wrong?
Posted on 6/3/10 at 8:33 pm to CharlesLSU
Charles, they can't answer the questions properly because they are ignorant of the subject.
Hmm... that sounds an awful lot like some other things that have been posted on this forum for weeks.
Hmm... that sounds an awful lot like some other things that have been posted on this forum for weeks.
Posted on 6/3/10 at 8:43 pm to CrazyTigerFan
How can you possible be sure that the ecosystem is irreconcilably damaged?
Why dont you answer the question then?
Why dont you answer the question then?
Posted on 6/3/10 at 8:49 pm to GREENHEAD22
The answer is that we won't know the long term outcome until a relatively long period of time has gone by.
But some people on here have been taking free reign to call other posters dumbasses and ignorant for weeks, when if any of us really knew how to solve the problems we wouldn't be posting on TigerDroppings. I'm pointing out the irony of this situation.
But some people on here have been taking free reign to call other posters dumbasses and ignorant for weeks, when if any of us really knew how to solve the problems we wouldn't be posting on TigerDroppings. I'm pointing out the irony of this situation.
Posted on 6/3/10 at 8:54 pm to CrazyTigerFan
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The answer is that we won't know the long term outcome until a relatively long period of time has gone by.
Exactly what I have been arguing
quote:
But some people on here have been taking free reign to call other posters dumbasses and ignorant for weeks,
Well your buddy Charlie is one of those people.
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