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re: 22 Creedmoor
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:21 am to 257WBY
Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:21 am to 257WBY
[quote]had a boy hunting with a 22-250[/quote
What bullets?
I think the .22 creedmoor loads start at 75 grains and go up to 90 or 100 grains. Its a different animal than a .22-250, for which most factory loads are 40-55 grain varmint bullets at 4,000+ FPS.
Small stuff has been hamstrung by light for caliber bullets for a long time now. Basically every legacy caliber smaller than .264 was conceived as a varmint caliber with slow twist barrels for light bullets to try to be the speed queen and for making small critters into meat mist. Poor sectional density and poor penetration are what most of us are used to from small stuff on big game and its because of the bullets
.22 creedmoor (and a bunch of other new small bores) have fast twist barrels and can handle heavy bullets. As i said earlier, they wouldnt be my first choice for the average grown man in louisiana, but they do have merit as big game calibers for some people.
What bullets?
I think the .22 creedmoor loads start at 75 grains and go up to 90 or 100 grains. Its a different animal than a .22-250, for which most factory loads are 40-55 grain varmint bullets at 4,000+ FPS.
Small stuff has been hamstrung by light for caliber bullets for a long time now. Basically every legacy caliber smaller than .264 was conceived as a varmint caliber with slow twist barrels for light bullets to try to be the speed queen and for making small critters into meat mist. Poor sectional density and poor penetration are what most of us are used to from small stuff on big game and its because of the bullets
.22 creedmoor (and a bunch of other new small bores) have fast twist barrels and can handle heavy bullets. As i said earlier, they wouldnt be my first choice for the average grown man in louisiana, but they do have merit as big game calibers for some people.
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Posted on 11/15/25 at 6:54 am to Squirrelmeister
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You haven’t wounded enough deer already with a 264 Creedmoor so now you want to go to 224?
Well…I have never hunted deer with a .264 Creedmoor and have NEVER wounded or lost a deer with a firearm. Have lost a few with my bow but every one I have ever shot with a firearm was in my freezer.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 7:34 am to 257WBY
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It’d be fine for a doe killing rifle, but not for serious deer hunting. We had a boy hunting with a 22-250. He shot a buck and a doe one morning. Very little blood, a tracking dog opened up by a buck hookin, and no deer was how that ended up.
The heaviest buck I’ve ever seen in person was dropped in its tracks by a 22-250. If you’re serious about deer hunting and have seen enough recovered deer you learn two things really matter, bullet construction and shot placement.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 7:37 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
There is a new company making a copper monologue called McGuire Ballistics.
Never messed with their bullet but have seen a few hunters on instagram using them and they seem to be very accurate and devastating.
They have a 71gr .223. They’re expensive though.
McGuire
Never messed with their bullet but have seen a few hunters on instagram using them and they seem to be very accurate and devastating.
They have a 71gr .223. They’re expensive though.
McGuire
Posted on 11/15/25 at 7:42 am to 257WBY
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It’d be fine for a doe killing rifle, but not for serious deer hunting. We had a boy hunting with a 22-250. He shot a buck and a doe one morning. Very little blood, a tracking dog opened up by a buck hookin, and no deer was how that ended up.
He made 2 bad shots. Period.
My son killed an 8 or 9 yr old buck last year at around 200yds with 62gr .223 in an AR.
Deer went 50yds.
Not what I would have picked but he was with a friend hunting and using one of their rifles.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:00 pm to bbvdd
Oh I know a .223 will kill deer. I’ve gone out the next morning and found two of them for young hunters. And there was very little blood for me to follow. Again, if you’re serious about killing deer, get a real deer round. Neck shooting does is another story.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:40 pm to 257WBY
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if you’re serious about killing deer, get a real deer round.
Hot take from a dude with a souped up 243 for a username
The absolute worst tracks I’ve ever been on were the result of a 300 win mag. Same guy three times, imagine that.
This post was edited on 11/15/25 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:46 pm to 257WBY
So the .223 killed them, you just couldn’t find them?
Sounds like the bullet did its job.
Sounds like the bullet did its job.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 1:02 pm to LoneStarTiger
I found them. And without blood to follow.
Posted on 11/15/25 at 3:50 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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Hot take from a dude with a souped up 243 for a username
243 killed plenty of deer lol. I have a Tikka but i can't get better than 1in at 100 yds. I put a cheap scope on it though. I need a better scope so I can see. I bought it as a stalker gun.
I use my 7mm rem mag and kids use 270win. Both are custom rifles that will shoot bugholes. My gunsmith begged me to get a 7mm PRC. Told him no.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:18 am to saintsfan1977
Using varmint cartridges to shoot deer is asinine. That includes the 243. Every time someone brings a bad personal experience the foolishness starts. It's not an if but when it will bite you. The baby gun crowd acts like all the bigger cartridges were developed for no reason. Get out of here with that crap.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:20 am to LoneStarTiger
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So the .223 killed them, you just couldn’t find them?
Sounds like the bullet did its job.
That isn't a good take. Killing it is pointless if we can't easily recover it.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:28 am to mrcoon
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Using varmint cartridges to shoot deer is asinine. That includes the 243.
Point made earlier - these new ones are not varmint cartridges. They are long range hunting cartridges. Very long high BC and high SD bullets at high speed with low recoil. They are niche big game cartridges, where the older small bore stuff (.22-250, .220 swift, .223, .243, .260 etc) are all varmint cartridges or generally poor big game cartridges with slow twist barrels for sending lightweight bullets as fast as possible.
The new cartridges are just duplicating what people have been doing for years with legacy .243's and .260's with fast twist barrels and longer magazines for holding long skinny bullets.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 10:34 am to SpookeyTiger
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Looks like a fun round for whitetail and coyotes.
Just go with a 17-5.56
Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:44 am to mrcoon
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The baby gun crowd acts like all the bigger cartridges were developed for no reason. Get out of here with that crap.
You don't need a .378 wby to kill a deer.
Many here on the board have killed plenty of deer with a 6.5 grendel. The .243 has killed millions.
If you can't kill a deer with those you need to practice.
People that only go out 2 days prior to deer season to make sure their gun is sighted in but never shoot otherwise are the ones responsible for more wounded deer than some one that (varmint cartridges) who practice.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 11:49 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I was impressed with the blood trail left when my son killed his deer with 300 blackout using 110gr Hornady V-Max.
It was the first deer killed with that gun. Tons of pigs have been killed with it.
It was the first deer killed with that gun. Tons of pigs have been killed with it.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 12:49 pm to Got Blaze
I've been toying with rebarrelling my 22-250 as an Ackley Improved with longer throat and fast twist...how is that different than a 22 Creed?
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:17 pm to Duckhammer_77
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I've been toying with rebarrelling my 22-250 as an Ackley Improved with longer throat and fast twist...how is that different than a 22 Creed?
Looks like the 22 cm has very sllightly higher case capacity, but realistically, flip a coin.
The only thing that I could think of being an issue is finding dies for the .22-250 ai
Posted on 11/19/25 at 1:36 pm to Duckhammer_77
it might be cheaper to buy a new rifle based on these current ballpark costs
$375~$475 - new S.S. match grade barrel blank
$300 - fit, chamber, crown barrel onto action
$150~$225 - true your current action
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$825~$1,000 total
Ruger has an American II rifle that is fluted, ceracoated, and threaded for $575. OR Midway has a "Remage" barrel already chambered/threaded for a R700 in 22CM and requires a Savage nut ....cost $385.
the 22CM will feed better from a magazine and you can buy factory loaded rounds. I've been handloading for wildcats since the 80's, mostly Ackley Improved cartridges. Today's newer rounds have made most wildcats obsolete since they cross over into the same cartridge design but on a "new and improved" case. i.e. .17 MK IV vs. the .17 Fireball , .20 Tactical vs. .204 Ruger, .... hope that helps brother
$375~$475 - new S.S. match grade barrel blank
$300 - fit, chamber, crown barrel onto action
$150~$225 - true your current action
--------
$825~$1,000 total
Ruger has an American II rifle that is fluted, ceracoated, and threaded for $575. OR Midway has a "Remage" barrel already chambered/threaded for a R700 in 22CM and requires a Savage nut ....cost $385.
the 22CM will feed better from a magazine and you can buy factory loaded rounds. I've been handloading for wildcats since the 80's, mostly Ackley Improved cartridges. Today's newer rounds have made most wildcats obsolete since they cross over into the same cartridge design but on a "new and improved" case. i.e. .17 MK IV vs. the .17 Fireball , .20 Tactical vs. .204 Ruger, .... hope that helps brother
Posted on 11/19/25 at 2:10 pm to mrcoon
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Get out of here with that crap.
Crap is thinking a 300 win mag is necessary to kill a 125 lb thin skinned animal.
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