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re: Arizona bans trail cams…..
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:33 am to oleyeller
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:33 am to oleyeller
How could they ban them on private property, a lot of them are for trespassing just as much as wildlife management. Assuming thats the case, wouldn't people just start putting regular home security cameras at their gates and what not?
Different subject, but was that Tennessee case ever litigated with the green jeans putting up their own cameras on those two people's private land or whatever?
Different subject, but was that Tennessee case ever litigated with the green jeans putting up their own cameras on those two people's private land or whatever?
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Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:37 am to tigerinthebueche
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Stupid euphemism for a redneck or “good ole boy”. Think it originated here as a joke, but it has been run into the ground after ad nauseam usage. Whatever humor it may have evoked when it originated has
Long since been drummed out of it. Now it just makes its users sound stupid.
baw has been a thing in Louisiana/the south long before this site.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:37 am to BorrisMart
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How could they ban them on private property, a lot of them are for trespassing just as much as wildlife management.
This sentence is how
“for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife, or locating wildlife for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife.”
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:38 am to ChandlerB03
“What’s the hate for them”
Cameras of any sort are very invasive and they are already practically everywhere. Additionally they diminish your natural hunting instincts and ability by giving you an unnatural prey/predator advantage.
What’s the fun in that?
Cameras of any sort are very invasive and they are already practically everywhere. Additionally they diminish your natural hunting instincts and ability by giving you an unnatural prey/predator advantage.
What’s the fun in that?
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:42 am to Ron Cheramie
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This sentence is how
“for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife, or locating wildlife for the purpose of taking or aiding in the take of wildlife.”
they can't say you can't put security cameras up on private property at entry zones. (or even inside of stands for security reasons). It would never happen in Louisiana. Public property I can see, and some WMA's already have no camera rules.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:47 am to BorrisMart
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they can't say you can't put security cameras up on private property at entry zones. (or even inside of stands for security reasons).
They are not saying that. They are saying they are not legal for aiding in killing critters.
On your private property you can also ride around with a spotlight as long as you don’t shoot something while doing it
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:00 am to Confederate Brass
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Cameras of any sort are very invasive and they are already practically everywhere. Additionally they diminish your natural hunting instincts and ability by giving you an unnatural prey/predator advantage.
I get where you're coming from but that's a slippery slope. Every tool a hunter uses gives them an 'unnatural' advantage over prey...cover scent, scope, rifle, compound bow made from synthetic material, range finder...etc.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:30 am to TexasTiger1984
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get where you're coming from but that's a slippery slope. Every tool a hunter uses gives them an 'unnatural' advantage over prey...cover scent, scope, rifle, compound bow made from synthetic material, range finder...etc.
Yeah that’s my gripe with the fair chase claim. Right now there’s some ol baw all happy cus they have got rid of cameras.
As he sits with his GPS with mapping ,laser rangefinder, adjustable turrent scope, space age technology clothing backpack and tent , freeze dried food, water filtration.
He claims “ I hunt the real way without cheating”!!
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:32 am to baldona
quote:to where? If there is a waterhole, someone knows of it and has a camera
If I went to a waterhole with more than one camera I’d absolutely move on, that’s nuts.
Very different from hunting here
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:41 am to GREENHEAD22
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I am find with it on public lands, I think they should be. Private land though not so much. However Cell cams I can see the argument for a complete ban, or maybe put delays in the picture being sent.
The problem with this is that there's tons of private and public land that are mixed out west where the game move freely between them.
So you'd be allowing a private landowner to put a camera up that tracks the game on his land, but the guys hunting the same elk or mule deer on the public can't have them? I mean if you want to say "private property rights", that's fine. But that gives a major advantage to the private landowners and likely won't fly out west in a democratic system as more guys hunt public.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:43 am to mylsuhat
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to where? If there is a waterhole, someone knows of it and has a camera
Very different from hunting here
Not really. I've hunted places in the south where I've seen multiple trail cameras and deer stands in a small area.
My point though, was the original post I replied to said that some water holes "have up to 20 trail cameras". At some point well before 20 you gotta say you should move on right? If I'm counting 5, 6, 10, 12 cameras then I'm assuming that area has heavy pressure and I'm moving elsewhere.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:47 am to baldona
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So you'd be allowing a private landowner to put a camera up that tracks the game on his land, but the guys hunting the same elk or mule deer on the public can't have them? I mean if you want to say "private property rights", that's fine. But that gives a major advantage to the private landowners and likely won't fly out west in a democratic system as more guys hunt public.
Most of this is to reduce conflict on public land. Private landowners control their own conflicts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:47 am to GREENHEAD22
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One thing I can definitely get behind for a hunting ban is self adjusting scopes.
Ha yea, I think its pretty damn hilarious everyone is out for lighted nocs and trail cameras, when the main culprit of "unfair" chase is modern rifles. I'm not here advocating for a change, I'm not trying to make an argument.
I'm simply pointing out there's TV shows now for "long range hunting" where guys are on one side of a ridge shooting 500-1000+ yards at animals on the other mountain side and the animals don't even care they are there because they are so far away.
If anyone wanted to make a major change into "fair chase" you'd take measures to reduce rifle effectiveness to under 250 yards or so.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:50 am to Ron Cheramie
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Most of this is to reduce conflict on public land. Private landowners control their own conflicts
Sure, if you still allowed them on private it would make another private/ public conflict and I don't think any state wants more of that.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 9:55 am to baldona
Imagine allowing baiting on public land here. It would wild.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 10:34 am to sawtooth
I always thought they'd ban the wifi cams for fair chase reasons. I know guys that sit at camp with 5 cams on plots and then go stalk the plot with activity.
I was vocal in the banning of drones on WMAs as I used them to scout for ducks. The commissions reason was that it disturbed ducks in their opinion....but the constant helos and surface drives dont??? Our LWC is a joke.
I was vocal in the banning of drones on WMAs as I used them to scout for ducks. The commissions reason was that it disturbed ducks in their opinion....but the constant helos and surface drives dont??? Our LWC is a joke.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 11:17 am to sawtooth
I wish Louisiana would ban the use of corn.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 12:18 pm to baldona
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If anyone wanted to make a major change into "fair chase" you'd take measures to reduce rifle effectiveness to under 250 yards or so.
Let's just do away with all guns and bows while we're at it.
I say we should only use spears, atlatl, and knives...
Posted on 7/13/21 at 12:21 pm to Ron Cheramie
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They are not saying that. They are saying they are not legal for aiding in killing critters.
On your private property you can also ride around with a spotlight as long as you don’t shoot something while doing it
But what's the difference, you could still just put a trail cameras up, citing security, and use them as a game camera. Its unenforceable on private land, unless you think more intrusive entries by LEO and GJ are a good thing.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 12:31 pm to baldona
With the time and training there are guys that can make far shots ethically, the distance is debatable. The scopes I am talking about makes someone a 1000yrd shooter damn near immediately. Battery powered autocorrecting, get prone with a heavy gun and one of these scopes and you are ringing at 1000 all day long.
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