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Posted on 1/24/26 at 6:18 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
No disrespect but I think you’re overestimating how difficult it is with a good rest, good optics, and a dialed in gun. I’ve watched a many guests shoot deer at distance personally over the last several years. 3-500 yds, first deer.
Granted I did dial their scope after ranging but they made the shots. Getting them a solid rest has been the deciding factor I’ve found
Granted I did dial their scope after ranging but they made the shots. Getting them a solid rest has been the deciding factor I’ve found
This post was edited on 1/24/26 at 6:19 am
Posted on 1/24/26 at 8:00 am to SETH6180
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No disrespect but I think you’re overestimating how difficult it is with a good rest, good optics, and a dialed in gun. I’ve watched a many guests shoot deer at distance personally over the last several years. 3-500 yds, first deer.
Granted I did dial their scope after ranging but they made the shots. Getting them a solid rest has been the deciding factor I’ve found
What scope and magnification? Is x20 all you ever need or beyond that? I know I would need a new one to get past 200, my strongest is a x10 at the moment. But I've also never sat at a spot where I can see 200 yards. I want to, and I have 2 guns now that can handle that. With the x10, a target at 150 still looks pretty damn small to me.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 8:19 am to SETH6180
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overestimating how difficult it is with a good rest, good optics, and a dialed in gun.
We aren't talking about the same thing. You're talking about hitting the front half of the deer in basically a controlled environment with a pre-doped rifle and i presume no goofy environmental at play. Im talking about hitting the front half of a deer in colorado on your own and likely from an ad hoc position.
Anybody who shoots any could probably hit somewhere in the front half of Cortinas steel deer with one of cortinias rifles if cortinia doped the elevation and wind and told you when to pull the trigger. Thats just holding a 20 pound rifle straight through the trigger break, and itll still probably be >1MOA.
Doing all the figuring is half of it, and figuring out how to get a sub 10 pound rifle steady is the other half. Maybe I just suck at shooting but I have been practicing and for me, its damned difficult to do.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 8:29 am to calcotron
I like minimum 20x, preferably 24.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 9:12 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I got the idea from those Cortinas ethical hunter challenge videos. I had a sheet of 1/2 plate left over from a welding job I had done earlier in the summer so I donated it to the cause. My vitals gongs are bigger than 1 moa, I'd have to go measure to see exactly, but at the 300 yard range, it might be over 2. I have to echo what downshiftandfloorit says as somebody who shoots a lot. I also agree, with most high powered rifles, especially traditional western calibers, a center punch in the "middle" of the deer is generally going to be lethal and recoverable, while certainly not ideal. I'm not negating anyone's claims on here, but most southern deer hunters who think they can make a 300 yard shot have barely shot a box of shells through their rifle on paper at 100 yards. Most people who come shoot at my house are friends and family I've grown up hunting with, all serious deer hunters, but not bench rest shooters. That said, I'd say probably 90% of the people I've had try a cold bore shot at the 300 yard deer do not hit in the vitals. Have had a few with direct gut shots, a few that would have shot the front legs out, and lots of clean misses. The 500 yard one, I don't think I've ever had a guest make a hit on thr vitals gong on a cold bore shot.
I think just about any major brand name production rifle today is more than capable of shooting accurately at game at 500 yards. I don't remeber the exact model, maybe it was a Venture, but my father in law has a very cheap encore bolt gun, like sub $300 rifle, it will shoot sub 1 moa all day with several different factory ammos. Have seen thr same with some of the cheaper rugers and mossburgs. The actions do not feel as smooth, and some of them just look cheap, but the manufactures have figured out the machine processes that matter for accuracy and can do it cheaply.
I think just about any major brand name production rifle today is more than capable of shooting accurately at game at 500 yards. I don't remeber the exact model, maybe it was a Venture, but my father in law has a very cheap encore bolt gun, like sub $300 rifle, it will shoot sub 1 moa all day with several different factory ammos. Have seen thr same with some of the cheaper rugers and mossburgs. The actions do not feel as smooth, and some of them just look cheap, but the manufactures have figured out the machine processes that matter for accuracy and can do it cheaply.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 11:44 am to CaptJJ
How to post pics?
Posted on 1/24/26 at 12:27 pm to calcotron
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What scope and magnification? Is x20 all you ever need or beyond that? I know I would need a new one to get past 200, my strongest is a x10 at the moment. But I've also never sat at a spot where I can see 200 yards. I want to, and I have 2 guns now that can handle that. With the x10, a target at 150 still looks pretty damn small to me.
You didn’t ask me, but I will chime in. I have two rifles set up with 5x25 scopes and one set up with a 6-24 The higher magnification is great at long ranges. But if you are in a hunting situation with the possibility of shorter shots it can be a detriment. For example, we have a transmission line that runs through our property. We have six shooting houses on it around 800 yards apart. Several are directly on greenfields, but you can still shoot 500-1000 yards. Many you can hunt 2 to 3 greenfields at one time. You often are faced with shots of 300+ yards. But in the past 2 years I have killed a mice 8 point and a running coyote at under 30 yards. Finding a running animal at 25 yards with a 6 power scope is hard.
At longer distances you do want more magnification. Like you said, they look little. The furthest I have killed one with a 12 power scope is 476 yards. That buck looked tiny in the scope. An 18-25 power scope makes it much easier.
I said earlier the 3.5-18 is rhe best compromise in my opinion. The 5-20 or 5-25 is also good. I would not recommend a 6-24 or more unless you just want to set it up to only shoot targets at 500 to 1000 yards.
I keep my scope at the lowest setting while I sit. That way if one pops out at spitting distance you can kill him.
And obviously if you want to kill one at 500 yards you meed to practice some and actually shoot your set up at those ranges and not just rely on what it is supposed to do. Back when I was decent shot I shot a lot. The thing that helped me the most was burning tons of .22 lr at 50 yards shooting dime sized targets, and quarter sized targets at 100 yards with a 3-9x40 scope.. If you get to where you can consistently shoot with a stock .22 with a crappy trigger, a long range gun with a 2-2.5# trigger seems like cheating.
Your mileage may vary.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 12:36 pm to Theotherpikecounty
I would also point out the OP asked for recommendations on what setups would be capable of making 500 yard shots.
The whole practice thing is a separate conversation.
I will add this though. I have crawled through many more miles of briers tracking crippled deer shot at less than 150 yards by people who cannot shoot than I have tracking deer shot at 300+ yards by people who can shoot.
The whole practice thing is a separate conversation.
I will add this though. I have crawled through many more miles of briers tracking crippled deer shot at less than 150 yards by people who cannot shoot than I have tracking deer shot at 300+ yards by people who can shoot.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:25 pm to captdalton
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You didn’t ask me, but I will chime in.
I appreciate the perspective!
Posted on 1/24/26 at 1:43 pm to Theotherpikecounty
Posted on 1/24/26 at 3:04 pm to Theotherpikecounty
This rifle is almost free. Well worth the price to see if you like it. And the 6.5 PRC is what you need.
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Posted on 1/24/26 at 3:09 pm to 257WBY
Those sub $500 sauers are the best available deal on rifles in a very long time.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 5:12 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
The only issue I have with the j.p. sauer 100 rifles is they use a press fit barrel system. I almost bought a camo/cerakoted one jn 7 mag a few years ago but couldn’t get over that. That gun was $699. It might be worth trying one for $450; I still need a 7 mag after selling the Sabatri I had.
The Sauer rifles are imported by Blaser, and not affiliated with Sig Sauer.
The Sauer rifles are imported by Blaser, and not affiliated with Sig Sauer.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 5:53 pm to captdalton
Yea all depends on where and what terrain your hunting in. I hunt some places where sub-100 yd shots are non existent and some where max yardage is 100-200, I take what’s appropriate. Out west I’d recommend the higher power though from my experience
Posted on 1/24/26 at 7:21 pm to SETH6180
Started with Browning X bolt in 7PRC. Has threaded comp . Talley one piece rings. Swarovskiglass with 50mm front objective. I believe 6-15. 1 " groups at 400 yards. Very light rig and browning accuracy. Swaro glass is the best.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 8:39 pm to mallardhank
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1 " groups at 400 yards
Thats very good F class accuracy, from a hunting rifle. You should sell that one for a buttload of money.
Posted on 1/24/26 at 11:10 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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And you probably shoot your bow a lot.
Yes I do. Got another one this morning.
This post was edited on 1/25/26 at 8:08 am
Posted on 1/25/26 at 6:38 am to Theotherpikecounty
Posted on 1/25/26 at 10:43 am to 257WBY
Personally, I know tons of guys that have a power line or pipeline gun.
6.5 and 7mm prc are great rounds for long range, but if I was building a western gun to hunt elk I’d be looking at a bigger round personally. At least a 225 gr bullet.
As a first gun, I really don’t think there’s a need to go away from the more traditional 30-06 or 300 win mag types of guns. Ordering ammo online now it’s not that big of a deal really. Or if you can reload even less so. But it’s not like we are talking shooting 800 or 1000 yards. I don’t think there’s a reason to get crazy particular on a 400-500 yard gun.
400 and 500 yards is a hell of a long ways. The main reason to shoot that far is you can sit on one ridge and glass the ridge across from you and shoot it.
6.5 and 7mm prc are great rounds for long range, but if I was building a western gun to hunt elk I’d be looking at a bigger round personally. At least a 225 gr bullet.
As a first gun, I really don’t think there’s a need to go away from the more traditional 30-06 or 300 win mag types of guns. Ordering ammo online now it’s not that big of a deal really. Or if you can reload even less so. But it’s not like we are talking shooting 800 or 1000 yards. I don’t think there’s a reason to get crazy particular on a 400-500 yard gun.
400 and 500 yards is a hell of a long ways. The main reason to shoot that far is you can sit on one ridge and glass the ridge across from you and shoot it.
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