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Catch dogs for non fatal shots
Posted on 11/17/24 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 11/17/24 at 6:06 pm
Was gonna ask this on the Louisiana blood trailing page but didn’t want to trigger them
Someone shoots a deer and can’t find it. They call in a tracking dog. Tracking dog comes in and realizes it’s a leg shot or another non fatal shot so they get a catch dog Catch dog goes in there and does his job and the handler shoots the deer. Many times at night also
Shouldn’t the person who makes the fatal shot tag the deer?
Doesn’t it seem like at some point you are just dog hunting at night?
How is it legal that I can let a dog out after a leg shot deer and shoot the deer at night?
Someone shoots a deer and can’t find it. They call in a tracking dog. Tracking dog comes in and realizes it’s a leg shot or another non fatal shot so they get a catch dog Catch dog goes in there and does his job and the handler shoots the deer. Many times at night also
Shouldn’t the person who makes the fatal shot tag the deer?
Doesn’t it seem like at some point you are just dog hunting at night?
How is it legal that I can let a dog out after a leg shot deer and shoot the deer at night?
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 6:08 pm
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 6:46 pm to Ron Cheramie
I have been on a bunch of blood trails with dogs and have never seen or used a "catch" dog. Now we always used a lab and they either bay them or kill the deer.
For me whoever shoots the deer initially, its there deer. Yes there can be a grey area. I also know plenty of guys with dogs that do not want someone else shooting around their dog, in case there is an accident. I have never seen this cause an issue.
This is also private land, and have never had a neighbor issue with it.
I much rather see the deer get killed than suffer all night or loose it to coyotes.
For me whoever shoots the deer initially, its there deer. Yes there can be a grey area. I also know plenty of guys with dogs that do not want someone else shooting around their dog, in case there is an accident. I have never seen this cause an issue.
This is also private land, and have never had a neighbor issue with it.
I much rather see the deer get killed than suffer all night or loose it to coyotes.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 7:10 pm to Ron Cheramie
I’d rather have it killed that way than hopping around on three legs.
We’ve bayed them with two dogs, but not really catch dogs.
We’ve bayed them with two dogs, but not really catch dogs.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 7:41 pm to Ron Cheramie
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Doesn’t it seem like at some point you are just dog hunting at night?
Yeah, pretty much.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 7:48 pm to Ron Cheramie
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How is it legal that I can let a dog out after a leg shot deer and shoot the deer at night?
Not sure about LA but in MS they legalized dispatching a wounded deer at night but limited the weapon to a handgun to hopefully curtail what you’re describing. Suppressed 300blk is usually riding with the dog for “pigs”.
The handlers would argue the dog isn’t going to trail a deer that isn’t shot, since they are following the stress hormones from the interdigital gland. It’s a highly gray area that will eventually have to be addressed as more people breed and train “bay” dogs that are usually BMCs trained to do both. We get a rumor every year of a big buck being grazed and it being killed crossing the road when the dog jumps it. Some of that is red arse from someone else killing a good deer, but I’m sure it happens too.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 7:58 pm to ItsBernie
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Shouldn’t the person who makes the fatal shot tag the deer?
100%
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For me whoever shoots the deer initially, its there deer.
In most states and in Canada you’d be breaking the law.
Whoever kills the game is who is legally supposed to claim it.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 11/17/24 at 8:09 pm to Ron Cheramie
The ranch owner where I hunt has two tracking dogs that will bay up a wounded deer so they can finish them. I’ve seen them actually swim in a pond and retrieve the dead deer before. It’s really cool to watch.
The biggest buck I’ve killed (not a record breaker in the slightest) had a good kill shot and ran a bit into a thicket without any noticeable blood trail. I looked around for about an hour before the dog showed up and found it in less than 2 minutes. He was less than 20 yards from where he was standing when I shot him just in some really thick shite.
The biggest buck I’ve killed (not a record breaker in the slightest) had a good kill shot and ran a bit into a thicket without any noticeable blood trail. I looked around for about an hour before the dog showed up and found it in less than 2 minutes. He was less than 20 yards from where he was standing when I shot him just in some really thick shite.
Posted on 11/17/24 at 8:13 pm to Ron Cheramie
Tracking dog owner here. Lots of people who use the term "catch dog" don't really know what they're talking about. My dogs will bite a runner on the back legs to get it to turn, and then back off and bay. Lots of morons would refer to that as a catch dog, because it physically put teeth on the deer.
I know most of the good tracking teams in the state, and I only know of maybe 3 dogs that literally grab deer by the muzzle and hold them down until the handler arrives with a knife. 1 bulldog and 2 catahoulas. That's why I say most use the term "catch dog" very loosely. True catch dogs tend to not live very long. That's why most guys prefer bay dogs.
I also concur with the poster above in that nobody except me will be carrying a firearm on a track. If a hunter refuses to leave their weapon in the truck or at camp, and insists on dispatching the deer themselves, I load up and go home. Several handlers have been killed by excited hunters carrying a firearm on a track, and a whole bunch of dogs.
There are some dogs who will run a deer that is barely knicked, but most won't. The only ones I know that will are based out of MS, and these are the guys who need to be reigned in.
Hell, the majority of so-called "tracking dogs" are complete trash to be honest. I go behind dogs every week and find dead deer their owner said would live. Having a tracking dog is a fad these days. The overwhelming majority of actual good tracking dogs track interdigital gland, and that gland isn't putting off "come and find me" scent beyond 100 yards or so unless it's a mortal wound. I've never seen a 3 legged deer on camera or in person, so I imagine most that the dogs don't ecover end up eaten by coyotes or dying of infection.
I know most of the good tracking teams in the state, and I only know of maybe 3 dogs that literally grab deer by the muzzle and hold them down until the handler arrives with a knife. 1 bulldog and 2 catahoulas. That's why I say most use the term "catch dog" very loosely. True catch dogs tend to not live very long. That's why most guys prefer bay dogs.
I also concur with the poster above in that nobody except me will be carrying a firearm on a track. If a hunter refuses to leave their weapon in the truck or at camp, and insists on dispatching the deer themselves, I load up and go home. Several handlers have been killed by excited hunters carrying a firearm on a track, and a whole bunch of dogs.
There are some dogs who will run a deer that is barely knicked, but most won't. The only ones I know that will are based out of MS, and these are the guys who need to be reigned in.
Hell, the majority of so-called "tracking dogs" are complete trash to be honest. I go behind dogs every week and find dead deer their owner said would live. Having a tracking dog is a fad these days. The overwhelming majority of actual good tracking dogs track interdigital gland, and that gland isn't putting off "come and find me" scent beyond 100 yards or so unless it's a mortal wound. I've never seen a 3 legged deer on camera or in person, so I imagine most that the dogs don't ecover end up eaten by coyotes or dying of infection.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 11/17/24 at 8:21 pm to Stitches
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The overwhelming majority of actual good tracking dogs track interdigital gland, and that gland isn't putting off "come and find me" scent beyond 100 yards or so unless it's a mortal wound.
So the reason I posted this is because one of the trackers tracked a deer for 4.5 miles before he “caught up to
It” and put it down. And since I first posted this there is another guy who just tracked one for 7 miles before he caught up to
It and then shot it
I could see if you jump a gut shot deer and catch up to it and shoot it a quarter mile away but running one for seven miles is insane
Posted on 11/17/24 at 8:24 pm to Ron Cheramie
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So the reason I posted this is because one of the trackers tracked a deer for 4.5 miles before he “caught up to
It” and put it down. And since I first posted this there is another guy who just tracked one for 7 miles before he caught up to
It and then shot it
Take this with a very large grain of salt. Lots of guys just want to brag and look like they're the shite. Most of these morons don't reset their garmin collar data when they walk in to the shot sight, so 4 of those 4.5 miles were already logged on the collar in most cases. Very few properties have the kind of real estate to hit numbers like that, especially since most deer run in a straight line when a dog is hot on their heels.
I have very fast dogs that cover lots of area in a short amount of time. I can walk behind my dogs, literally where they are within sight at all times, and my handheld will have 500 yards logged from me walking, and the dogs that have been in my line of sight that entire time have logged 2 miles from all the zig-zagging they do while wind scenting.
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I could see if you jump a gut shot deer and catch up to it and shoot it a quarter mile away but running one for seven miles is insane
I agree.
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 11/18/24 at 6:53 am to Ron Cheramie
“Catch” dogs are trashy and unethical
Posted on 11/18/24 at 9:51 am to Ron Cheramie
Saw this also. Wanted to ask where is the line ethically, but that's not the place to ask. Seems like if a deer is traveling that far it's likely pretty lively. I'm all about exhausting all resources to find wounded game, but at some point it becomes dog hunting like you said.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 10:42 am to PocketLab
Several more this weekend. One ran a leg shot deer 3.8 miles and bayed it Took pics of the deer standing up with the dogs 3 feet from it and then shot it
Deer would totally live
Trying to convince myself that it’s not night hunting with dogs but it’s tough
Deer would totally live
Trying to convince myself that it’s not night hunting with dogs but it’s tough
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:02 am to Ron Cheramie
Serious question, how do you know the deer would have lived? It's more likely coyotes would have killed it if the dogs were able to stop it.
The 3.8 miles part is likely not accurate, that's just the total distance on the e-collar, which is tracking all of the zig-zagging the dog is doing. My last track from shot sight to deer was 1.7 miles on the e-collar, and the deer only ran about 700 yards. I went on one a couple weeks ago where I had to take a SxS over 3 miles from the hwy to the middle of the lease to get to the food plot. Lots of dudes would count that 3 miles in the stats to puff smoke, even if the deer only ran 50 yards from the feeder.
ETA: most tracking dog owners have massive egos, so they're usually either stretching the truth or outright lying in order to sell themselves to the public.
The 3.8 miles part is likely not accurate, that's just the total distance on the e-collar, which is tracking all of the zig-zagging the dog is doing. My last track from shot sight to deer was 1.7 miles on the e-collar, and the deer only ran about 700 yards. I went on one a couple weeks ago where I had to take a SxS over 3 miles from the hwy to the middle of the lease to get to the food plot. Lots of dudes would count that 3 miles in the stats to puff smoke, even if the deer only ran 50 yards from the feeder.
ETA: most tracking dog owners have massive egos, so they're usually either stretching the truth or outright lying in order to sell themselves to the public.
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 11:09 am
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:12 am to Stitches
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Serious question, how do you know the deer would have lived? It's more likely coyotes would have killed it if the dogs were able to stop it.
Front leg was flopping was all. Many three legged deer around
The first bullet isn’t what would have killed the deer directly.
All for using dogs on gut shot deer that are dead but this is crossing the line imo
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:18 am to Ron Cheramie
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Front leg was flopping was all. Many three legged deer around
The first bullet isn’t what would have killed the deer directly.
I've never seen a 3 legged deer, but I do know they're out there, just not a lot of them. I've found many half-eaten leg shots behind other dogs where the original handler said it would live though.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:31 am to Stitches
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. I've found many half-eaten leg shots behind other dogs where the original handler said it would live though.
It lived until a coyote got it Non fatal wound from the bullet
Posted on 12/1/24 at 11:45 am to Ron Cheramie
6 in one and half a dozen in the other. The shot resulted in a dead deer, whether directly or indirectly. I would rather the hunter keep the meat than feed the coyotes that night or a week later when the wound gets infected and the deer dies from sepsis.
Posted on 12/1/24 at 1:02 pm to Ron Cheramie
Who does this shite? Sounds like some made up bs.
Actually read the thread. Apparently this is a thing. 3.8 miles damn sure seems like a stretch but who knows. No you should not be baying a deer 4 miles away. I would shite that shite down.
Actually read the thread. Apparently this is a thing. 3.8 miles damn sure seems like a stretch but who knows. No you should not be baying a deer 4 miles away. I would shite that shite down.
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 1:09 pm
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