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re: Green Jeans Story
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:47 am to LSUengr
Posted on 9/23/24 at 10:47 am to LSUengr
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BS. They should have given him a couple tickets after the 2nd hunt they went on and spent their time finding someone who was actually doing something wrong.
Yea, I googled this and found the news articles about it, but the real story should have been “USFW agents waste thousands of tax payer dollars and valuable resources arresting outfitter for some BS.”
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:48 pm to White Bear
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Maybe you baws will eventually realize why gov exists. but I doubt it.
What makes this story so puzzling is they just decided to keep going with this guy trying to catch him doing something for years. If all they wanted to do was collect some easy fines you would think they would have moved on to greener pastures. Not like it’s hard with social media these days.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:13 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Yeah I don’t really get it either. The crimes were fairly petty when all is said and done, I don’t quite understand how a great lawyer couldn’t get these thrown out. 30 times and they had almost nothing, you follow someone driving for 30 miles you likely catch them doing something minor against the law also.
I googled it and there’s some message board stuff and he didn’t have a very likeable following.
I googled it and there’s some message board stuff and he didn’t have a very likeable following.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:51 pm to baldona
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googled it and there’s some message board stuff and he didn’t have a very likeable following.
Link?
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:55 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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What makes this story so puzzling is they just decided to keep going with this guy trying to catch him doing something for years. If all they wanted to do was collect some easy fines you would think they would have moved on to greener pastures. Not like it’s hard with social media these days.
The only thing I can figure is that they really suspected him of being shadier than he was, but felt like they needed to establish a close enough relationship for him to really commit a crime with them there. After 3 years they probably figured they had to get him on something, even as small as it was, because they had used up so much time and resources.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:04 pm to Theduckhunter
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After 3 years they probably figured they had to get him on something, even as small as it was, because they had used up so much time and resources.
One of the agents forgot to take his wedding ring off on a hunting trip during year 3. The outfitter noticed and asked when he got married, as they had all become super close friends during those 3 years, and that particular agent had kept up the ruse that he was single and unmarried the entire time.
The outfitter knew right then that the entire deal was BS and the 2 guys were undercover feds.
Search warrants were carried out within the week
Posted on 9/23/24 at 3:02 pm to Theduckhunter
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Link?
Just google Refuge Forums and Ryan Warden. There are a couple threads. One from the time of the raid, one from the time of the indictment and a more recent one (2019) from after the Foiles and Warden podcasts. Of course it is a bunch of holier than thou talk when everything went down and then a bunch of backtracking once the real stories came out.
Nothing like a bunch of hunters bashing on other hunters for the most minor infractions. Most of us do the right thing a majority of the time, but most have done something illegal by the letter of the law whether intentionally or not.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 5:23 pm to LSUengr
Yeah I mean the threads are internet BS but still it’s very hard leaning one way, usually when this type of thing comes out and they are good people then there’s people out there on their side.
I was honestly curious what locals online had to say about the whole thing, but it’s been almost 10 years now.
Either way, it’s absolutely ridiculous to go on 30 fricking hunts together. If you don’t know after 1-2 hunts and have evidence by hunt 5 or so what the hell are you wasting your time on it for.
I was honestly curious what locals online had to say about the whole thing, but it’s been almost 10 years now.
Either way, it’s absolutely ridiculous to go on 30 fricking hunts together. If you don’t know after 1-2 hunts and have evidence by hunt 5 or so what the hell are you wasting your time on it for.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 6:08 pm to geauxbrown
quote:job security . "hey boss, I'm going to begin a 10 year investigation into XYZ, so you can't fire me nor lay me off, ok."
they watched them for several years prior to filing charges.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 6:44 pm to baldona
USFWS is full of a bunch of clowns who forever were journeyman GS-12s for a reason. They literally are the only Federal criminal investigators (the Special Agent side) who enforce misdemeanors (migratory birds) and spend taxpayer dollars flying all around the WORLD chasing turtle smugglers.
This story IS NOT an anomaly. There are NUMEROUS cases of USFWS Special Agents going “undercover” on hunts to nab crooked outfitters and literally taking part in actually killing protected species / over the limits.
That would be akin to a DEA Special Agent snorting lines, letting kilos of cocaine just walk off into the sunset or an actual law abiding FBI agent burning down a few buildings with group they’re infiltrating (oh wait, they have done that)…you get my point.
How this is not kabashed by the US Attorney’s Offices just goes to show you the capture of Federal agencies of “us against those we know better than”.
This story IS NOT an anomaly. There are NUMEROUS cases of USFWS Special Agents going “undercover” on hunts to nab crooked outfitters and literally taking part in actually killing protected species / over the limits.
That would be akin to a DEA Special Agent snorting lines, letting kilos of cocaine just walk off into the sunset or an actual law abiding FBI agent burning down a few buildings with group they’re infiltrating (oh wait, they have done that)…you get my point.
How this is not kabashed by the US Attorney’s Offices just goes to show you the capture of Federal agencies of “us against those we know better than”.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 9:54 pm to Stitches
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They used the Lacey Act, so that makes sense. Dude essentially didn't have hunters and guides separate and tag birds. Something about how if 5 people went hunting, and the limit was 6 birds per hunter, he would just make sure 30 birds was the stopping point for the group instead of keeping track of who killed what, and making sure each person only killed 6 or less.
He shot one over the limit sitting on a tailgate, so they got him for that and said since his feet weren't on the ground, it was hunting from a vehicle. Then the Lacey Act was used since it involved migratory game birds (dove). Also gifted meat to the agents, and was ticketed for that.
They ruined this dudes life, caused a divorce, forced him to sell his outfitting business, and more all over shooting a single dove over the limit sitting on a tailgate essentially.
Sounds like the same kind of sociopathic shitheads that gravitate toward most LEO careers. Seems like FBI and Green Jeans attract the worst of the bunch.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:41 am to Stitches
quote:play stupid games....
more all over shooting a single dove over the limit sitting on a tailgate esse
Posted on 9/24/24 at 5:05 am to SuperSaint
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play stupid games....
That’s basically what I said before I started listening to his story.
He got back to the truck and had 14 birds in his bag and his buddy had 15 in his… so he shot one more to put him at 15.
The feds said one of his birds got picked up by the dog and brought to the other guy, so they said his buddy actually shot 14 and he shot 16.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:13 pm to tiggerfan02 2021
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Sounds like the same kind of sociopathic shitheads that gravitate toward most LEO careers. Seems like FBI and Green Jeans attract the worst of the bunch.
There is one HUGE difference between game wardens and any other type of cop I am aware of and that is game wardens ain't terrified of people carrying guns. Almost everyone they encounter is armed, even fisherman and hikers, and yet they almost never just gun someone down who was carrying a gun. There is no scenario I can think of where a regular cop suspected someone of committing a crime who was obviously in possession of a firearm where the cop would casually saunter up and ask "Y'all having any luck?". Game wardens do it all the time. I saw a study once that said game wardens are 7 times more likely to be attacked by someone with a weapon and are injured in the line of duty twice as often as cops yet they are not terrified of a gun....or they do not appear to be terrified of a person with a gun.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 5:12 pm to AwgustaDawg
Had a buddy with FWC years ago and I worked with him a few times on the water. I saw why they may be attacked more but maybe not killed in the line of duty. Ol boy would jump on a commercial fishing boat ready to crack skulls at the drop of a hat, in my eyes escalating the situation. I asked him about it afterwards and he told me every time he made contact it was usually for a reason and his typical clientele were usually armed with something, gun/knife/etc and half of them were outlaws. He said if it was going to go sideways it probably would when he acted like that and he already had them on tilt so hoped he had the upper hand. He was also by himself most of the time. He always toned it down after a few minutes ended the interaction on a decent note. It was an interesting POV and made sense with some of the stuff he was involved in.
Posted on 9/24/24 at 6:52 pm to Stitches
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Tl;dr version: two undercover federal wardens essentially book hunts with outfitter over 3 year period, and entrap him into committing wildlife related misdemeanors, that because he was an outfitter, automatically became felonies.
How did they entrap him?
Posted on 9/24/24 at 9:01 pm to AwgustaDawg
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There is one HUGE difference between game wardens and any other type of cop I am aware of and that is game wardens ain't terrified of people carrying guns. Almost everyone they encounter is armed, even fisherman and hikers, and yet they almost never just gun someone down who was carrying a gun. There is no scenario I can think of where a regular cop suspected someone of committing a crime who was obviously in possession of a firearm where the cop would casually saunter up and ask "Y'all having any luck?". Game wardens do it all the time. I saw a study once that said game wardens are 7 times more likely to be attacked by someone with a weapon and are injured in the line of duty twice as often as cops yet they are not terrified of a gun....or they do not appear to be terrified of a person with a gun.
I think a lot of them are ex-military and want the adrenaline rush. I would suspect many of them are combat vets and they relish the engagement with danger involved. Sounds like the kind of person you are describing, and I was a casual friend of someone very similar who was about to retire from the Army and was looking to become a game warden.
He had done 2 tours in Iraq, 1 in Afghanistan, and was about to do his last tour back there again before retiring. He had survived multiple IED attacks on units he was with as well as some door-to-door firefights. He was the type who would not hesitate to do exactly what you described.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 5:34 am to tiggerfan02 2021
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think a lot of them are ex-military and want the adrenaline rush. I would suspect many of them are combat vets and they relish the engagement with danger involved
You got a link to this or is it purely anecdotal?
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:21 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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How did they entrap him?
The entrapment part was the agents purposefully shooting over the limit on geese and doves. He makes it clear in the podcast that they asked if they could shoot over on doves and he told them no. Wasn't clear from his recollection if they were specifically told not to shoot over on the geese in the moment. They understood though after all the hunts they went on that over the limit wasn't something this outfitter allowed.
The rest of it wasn't entrapment directly even though the tagging violations went on for 3 years. They could have identified themselves after the 2nd or 3rd hunt, wrote him his tagging violations, then went and found someone who was actually violating the resource. Instead, they thought they would catch him on some major violation and went on 27 hunts using my tax money.
In the podcast, they reference another sting on another outfitter where the agents have blanks in their guns. The guide is essentially killing all the ducks unbeknownst to him. Then they bust him for shooting over the limit even though the blind is not over the limit. Essentially going after party hunting, which everyone does.
Posted on 9/25/24 at 7:36 am to LSUengr
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Essentially going after party hunting, which everyone does.
Not everyone does this. I think most responsible hunters don't.
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