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Jim Bernhard - Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:45 am
Posted on 11/19/25 at 6:45 am
So, the rumors are he died from Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, but I have no inside knowledge just saying that is the rumor, with the influx of CWD locally and how CWD may very well cause CJ in humans, does anyone know if he was an outdoorsman who ate wild game????
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:18 am to Tigerpaw123
quote:There is no evidence to support this. Not saying its impossible, but CWD had been around for a very long time in other parts of the country with some hotspots having a 25% or more of the deer tested come back positive. If CWD was causing CJD, then you’d have had a huge spike in CJD cases in places like Colorado, Wyoming, and Wisconsin where CWD is very prevalent and been around for a long time.
how CWD may very well cause CJ in humans
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:35 am to Tiger Prawn
Again not saying it does, but there is enough evidence that supports the discussion
Not everyone that smokes gets lung cancer and not everyone that has lung cancer smokes , but there is a correlation
Not everyone that smokes gets lung cancer and not everyone that has lung cancer smokes , but there is a correlation
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:39 am to Tigerpaw123
On the OT thread, the rumor was he got it from beef. I just posted how humans get it from beef products.
He is probably a hunter but not certain. Death and illness timeline would coincide with elk season.
He is probably a hunter but not certain. Death and illness timeline would coincide with elk season.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:40 am to Tigerpaw123
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there is enough evidence that supports the discussion
It generally has been a very short discussion. There's no evidence that supports it that I am aware of. I believe there was a tremendous amount of research done on this in the mad cow era as well.
It's a valid concern because the consequences are so dire and some people here have 1st hand account of people contracting CJD. There's just been nothing remotely credible that links CJD to CWD or Mad Cow that I have seen posted here (which is where I get 99% of my news).
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:42 am to Tigerpaw123
CJ is a prion disorder
Can also become infected by contaminated medical equipment.
quote:
Normal prion protein is found on the surface of many cells. Prion diseases occur when this protein becomes abnormal and clumps in the brain. It then causes brain damage. This abnormal buildup of protein in the brain can lead to memory problems, personality changes, and trouble with movement. Experts still don't know a lot about prion diseases. But unfortunately, these disorders are often fatal.
Can also become infected by contaminated medical equipment.
quote:
Prions cannot be destroyed by boiling, alcohol, acid, standard autoclaving methods, or radiation. In fact, infected brains that have been sitting in formaldehyde for decades can still transmit spongiform disease.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:50 am to lowhound
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infected brains that have been sitting in formaldehyde for decades can still transmit spongiform disease.
This is the part that freaks me out. It essentially means that every deformed prion for all of history is bio-accumulating in the earth and we're all gonna die from mad human disease
I never looked into how transmission works because frankly I didn't want to know but now I kinda do. Do you need direct contact between your brain cells and infected person's brain cells, or will be in the same room with the brain in a jar give me CJD?
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:51 am to Tigerpaw123
“, with the influx of CWD locally and how CWD …”
Very few CWD cases locally
Very few CWD cases locally
Posted on 11/19/25 at 7:57 am to 257WBY
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Very few CWD cases locally
Very few, up from zero, so therefore an influx
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:23 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
My FIL died of it. Not a pretty ending. His case was not diagnosed as such until almost the end. Not that anything can be done but it was good to finally know what killed him. His brain was examined and tests showed that his case was “random”. No real evidence of his case being linked to genetics or food consumption. It did go on to provide information related to his offspring getting sick and the consensus was none of the three kids were potential carriers.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:51 am to canyon
Mine too, Houston Dr’s surmised CJD but that diagnosis was only confirmed after his brain was sent to the Cleveland clinic. I assume all medical instruments were incinerated after his death.
From symptoms to death a little less than a year so I don’t put much stock in the elk hypothesis.
From symptoms to death a little less than a year so I don’t put much stock in the elk hypothesis.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:56 am to KemoSabe65
LINKInteresting article, that again proves nothing
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Two Hunters from the Same Lodge Afflicted with Sporadic CJD: Is Chronic Wasting Disease to Blame? (P7-13.002) Jonathan Trout, Matthew Roberts, Michel Tabet, Eithan Kotkowski, and Sarah HornAUTHORS INFO & AFFILIATIONS April 9, 2024 issue 102 (7_supplement_1) 216 LINK Information & Authors Metrics & Citations View Options Share Abstract Objective: This study presents a cluster of Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) cases after exposure to chronic wasting disease (CWD)-infected deer, suggestive of potential prion transmission from CWD-infected deer to humans. Background: CJD is a rapidly progressive central nervous system disorder caused by misfolded prion proteins. CWD, a prion disease prevalent in North American deer, has raised concerns due to its possible link to CJD. Although no conclusive evidence of cross-species prion transmission exists, vigilance for such cases is crucial for public health. Design/Methods: Not applicable. Results: In 2022, a 72-year-old man with a history of consuming meat from a CWD-infected deer population presented with rapid-onset confusion and aggression. His friend, who had also eaten venison from the same deer population, recently died of CJD, raising concerns about a potential link between CWD and human prion disease. Despite aggressive symptomatic treatment of seizures and agitation, the patient’s condition deteriorated and he died within a month of initial presentation. The diagnosis was confirmed postmortem as sporadic CJD with homozygous methionine at codon 129 (sCJDMM1). The patient’s history, including a similar case in his social group, suggests a possible novel animal-to-human transmission of CWD. Based on non-human primate and mouse models, cross-species transmission of CJD is plausible. Due to the challenge of distinguishing sCJDMM1 from CWD without detailed prion protein characterization, it is not possible to definitively rule out CWD in these cases. Although causation remains unproven, this cluster emphasizes the need for further investigation into the potential risks of consuming CWD-infected deer and its implications for public health. Conclusions: Clusters of sporadic CJD cases may occur in regions with CWD-confirmed deer populations, hinting at potential cross-species prion transmission. Surveillance and further research are essential to better understand this possible association. Disclosure: Mr. Trout has nothing to disclose. Dr. Roberts has nothing to disclose. Dr. Tabet has nothing to disclose. Dr. Kotkowski has nothing to disclose. Dr. Horn has received personal compensation in the range of $500-$4,999 for serving as a Consultant for Cala Trio. The institution of Dr. Horn has received research support from Alzheimer's Association.
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 8:58 am to Tigerpaw123
Seems to be far more concern about a potential CWD jump than a popular food that’s already killing.
“So far in 2025, there have been 34 confirmed infections and six deaths linked to Vibrio vulnificus in Louisiana — a higher rate than any previous year in the last decade.”
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“So far in 2025, there have been 34 confirmed infections and six deaths linked to Vibrio vulnificus in Louisiana — a higher rate than any previous year in the last decade.”
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Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:16 am to Tigerpaw123
Vast majority of CJD has UNKNOWN cause and some is genetics.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 9:37 am to 257WBY
quote:
Seems to be far more concern about a potential CWD jump than a popular food that’s already killing.
Probably because the risk with vibrio is well known and can be eliminated entirely by normal cooking methods, while CWD prions cannot be destroyed through cooking. Pretty much can only be destroyed at around 1600 degrees.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 3:10 pm to Tiger Prawn
I thought he died from tetanus
Posted on 11/19/25 at 5:44 pm to Tiger Prawn
While the likelihood is likely low, the transmission to humans via eating contaminated meat is proven. I don't think the meat being venison instead of beef play much of a factor. No cases of CJD from venison has been proven unlike from eating beef.
Posted on 11/19/25 at 5:50 pm to Tigerpaw123
The father in law of a good friend and fellow poster died from CJD. I don't think they could find any precipitating event. And that happens.
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