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Posted on 8/26/24 at 11:55 am to Sixafan
I have no guns. All of my guns fell out of my boat years ago and I can't even remember exactly when or where.
But if Kamala Harris attempts to take guns away from American citizens, blood will spill in America.
But if Kamala Harris attempts to take guns away from American citizens, blood will spill in America.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:22 pm to Barneyrb
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Who is she going to send to "confiscate", local PD won't do it.
What she said was that within 100 days of being elected she would enact reasonable gun safety laws (whatever that means) and she expressly stated this did not include confiscation. But of course everyone who passed this BS along knew that and did not care because it does not allow them to clutch their pearls and wrap themselves in the warm blanket of victimhood that they so desperately need and want.
That said let the federal government do something that requires door to door confiscation and you can rest assured that local PD will do it without thinking. There would be the odd outlier, of course, but most cops would line up around the corner to violate a citizens rights even with those rights still intact....they would not hesitate to do so if those rights were stripped. They would "only be doing their job" after all. It is naive as hell to suggest that local LEO would not confiscate guns if directed to do so. They would do so without a second thought. Again, there would be the odd outlier but the state police would step in and correct that minor bump in the road.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:23 pm to Barneyrb
quote:You sure about that? 2020 showed us Police will gladly do as they are told. They are "just following orders"
Who is she going to send to "confiscate", local PD won't do it.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:24 pm to Screaming Viking
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any municipality that wants/needs certain federal funding that they will undoubtedly attach to the confiscation efforts.
or even the ones that agree with that executive order.
or ones that think that they will receive a cabinet appointment under that leadership.
More than likely the majority of them would be the police who sit up at night and dream of ways to violate the rights of citizens..the majority of cops in other words. They seldom hesitate when they are wrong, they sure won't do so when they have been directed to do so....
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:29 pm to Sixafan
Liking the fact I moved to a 2nd amendment sanctuary county. If it comes to that I guess we shall see if it means anything more than the paper it’s written upon.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:30 pm to Theduckhunter
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Not legally. If it were as easy as an executive order, why didn’t Obama or Biden do it?
She was pandering to voters. It doesn’t make her any less of a threat, but she won’t suddenly become Queen if she gets elected. Our system doesn’t work that way, thankfully.
Obama and Biden did not do it for exactly the same reason no one has done it....because they have no desire nor concern about individuals and their guns. It is a meaningless issue unless of course your livelihood hinges on scaring stupid people into thinking the federal government is scared of them and their guns. They are not. Your neighbors and family will do the deed for them if they actually ever decide you no longer need your guns. They will simply convince everyone you know that its in THEIR best interest for you to no longer have a gun and you will be isolated and on your own....and we all know how that will end.
It is the height of stupidity to imagine for a second that the federal government is somehow intimidated by private ownership of guns. No one cares other than the NRA and similar groups who fleece the public of their money scaring them into thinking the federal government is being held at bay by their arsenal.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 12:40 pm to AwgustaDawg
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It is the height of stupidity to imagine for a second that the federal government is somehow intimidated by private ownership of guns.
So when Dianne Feinstein said if only she could get 51 votes to confiscate all AR's, she was really just trying to sell more AR"s?
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:24 pm to AwgustaDawg
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It is the height of stupidity to imagine for a second that the federal government is somehow intimidated by private ownership of guns
They might not be threatened, but those people really believe that getting rid of guns will make things safer. That is why it’s important to them and they will continue to try and take as many away as they can. It’s pretty naive to think that they don’t want to ban guns, just because they may not feel personally threatened by an armed population.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:29 pm to AwgustaDawg
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it does not allow them to clutch their pearls and wrap themselves in the warm blanket of victimhood that they so desperately need and want.
this tired leftist tactic of taking a common conservative beef with leftists (in this case honoring victimhood status) and then just accusing conservatives of that thing is so played out. especially in the context of a paranoia of overreaching government. no conservative needs or wants to be a victim of an ever-expanding federal behemoth. you might argue that we are paranoid and blow things out of proportion, but it doesnt come from some deep desire or need to be a victim. if anything it comes with an almost pathological obsession with NOT wanting to be a victim.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:31 pm to Barneyrb
The FBI has shown it will do whatever is necessary to preserve power for those who will not clean house and deprive Patriots of their freedom.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:36 pm to AwgustaDawg
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into thinking the federal government is being held at bay by their arsenal.
the federal government is absolutely being held at bay by private ownership of firearms in America.
this is where you come back with some hurr-durr standardized comeback like Joe Biden that we would need F-15and nukes to hold them at bay, which is absolutely true if we were talking about a direct war of the government vs the people. but we are talking about an insurgency the likes of which warfare has never seen that would make the cost of victory for the federal government too high to ever consider. that is why the Left dreams of disarming the populace and that is why i say no amount of paranoia against overreaching government is ever really too much.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 1:56 pm to civiltiger07
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So when Dianne Feinstein said if only she could get 51 votes to confiscate all AR's, she was really just trying to sell more AR"s?
Your quote is probably inaccurate and full of hyperbole but taken at face value and accepting it is 100% accurate she said if she could get 51 votes, knowing she couldn't, she would confiscate all ARs, again, something she could not do. She wasn't selling ARs, whatever she said she was selling lies to get votes from her constituents. I would bet money that whoever you got the quote from was, however, selling fear and making some serious money off folks who wanted to believe that the federal government would enslave them if only it weren't for their AR. Living in a fevered dream state where a bunch of like minded individuals hold off a tyrannical government with a bunch of ARs and handguns is just silly and anyone who owns a gun and is not insane knows its silly. What are you going to do with an AR, shoot down a drone???? Its silly. The only people thinking about it on either side are delusional fools.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:02 pm to AwgustaDawg
quote:Do you get paid by the word?
AwgustaDawg
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:02 pm to AwgustaDawg
I believe he got it from her 60 minutes interview:
“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,’ I would have done it.”
But you could have found that in a simple search like I did instead of ranting about how they don’t really intend to ban any guns.
“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,’ I would have done it.”
But you could have found that in a simple search like I did instead of ranting about how they don’t really intend to ban any guns.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:03 pm to Theduckhunter
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They might not be threatened, but those people really believe that getting rid of guns will make things safer. That is why it’s important to them and they will continue to try and take as many away as they can. It’s pretty naive to think that they don’t want to ban guns, just because they may not feel personally threatened by an armed population.
I never said that some politicians would not take away guns in a heart beat if they could. That is naive. Of course some of the more idiotic among an idiotic breed would do just that. What I know for a certainty is that the US Federal Government is not being held at bay because there are 500 or more guns in private ownership in the United States. I would posit that what is holding them at bay now and has for always is a fat and happy populace whose only complaints in life is the price of gas for their $70K truck. By the time we have actual complaints, if things go south, 9/10ths of us will have pawned or otherwise gladly swapped out guns for a loaf of bread....we will be no more of a threat then than we are today. It is just silly to think that the US Government is somehow intimidated by the types of weapons held by private citizens. It makes for good fiction, has made some good movies, but in reality any group who stands up to the US government, even with weapons not readily available to the public and with some serious military training, has lasted mere hours. It is just silly or stupid, take your pick.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:03 pm to AwgustaDawg
if the federal govt. feels the same way that you do, I think they will vastly underestimate the tenacity of millions of "Lone wolves" and the damage that they can do to not only groups of soldiers and police, but also to the neighbors and even family that would turn them in.
The federal government would not be the first group of people to underestimate the will and capability of the American citizenry who is willing to fight and die for what they believe.
The federal government would not be the first group of people to underestimate the will and capability of the American citizenry who is willing to fight and die for what they believe.
This post was edited on 8/26/24 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:08 pm to Barneyrb
The goon squads at fbi/atf
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:12 pm to Sam Quint
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the federal government is absolutely being held at bay by private ownership of firearms in America.
this is where you come back with some hurr-durr standardized comeback like Joe Biden that we would need F-15and nukes to hold them at bay, which is absolutely true if we were talking about a direct war of the government vs the people. but we are talking about an insurgency the likes of which warfare has never seen that would make the cost of victory for the federal government too high to ever consider. that is why the Left dreams of disarming the populace and that is why i say no amount of paranoia against overreaching government is ever really too much.
So here is what will happen. It will take YEARS for this "insurgency" to attract more than a handful of people who will have many issues in their past that the government will use to isolate them from their friends, family and like minded individuals. They will take them out in small numbers, mostly through old fashioned police work where they get ratted out by someone with an axe to grind or they are offered money or a multitude of ways. The very few who manage to escape that will be simply taken out as soon as they raise their heads. There is probably 35% of Americans who dream of this "insurgency". 95% of them have families, jobs, homes, trucks, boats, they hunt deer in season and watch football on Sundays, they drink beer and when they get hungry they run down to piggly wiggly and buy a truck load of groceries and eat like potentates. The other 5% or simply insane by societal measurements and as soon as they raise their heads they are dealt with quickly and more times than not they are identified by neighbors or a family member. Its a feverish dream to imagine a world where enough Americans band together to accomplish anything other than bitching and whining because we are not without hope. We like to imagine our being without hope but we get distracted when the fish are biting. Its a silly dream.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:13 pm to AwgustaDawg
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It is just silly to think that the US Government is somehow intimidated by the types of weapons held by private citizens.
Governments have been intimidated and overthrown with less.
Is it a major concern for them? No.
Do the majority of gun owners think that if we didn’t have ARs, the government would walk all over us more than they already do? I don’t think so.
You’re getting fired up about 1 facet of an argument for gun rights, when there are plenty other reasons why we shouldn’t ban them.
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