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re: She admits she will confiscate guns
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:18 pm to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:18 pm to AwgustaDawg
"Blah,blah,blah...................................................................................................................................blah, blah, blah."
You underestimate patriots because you are not one. And so you project as do all liberals.
You underestimate patriots because you are not one. And so you project as do all liberals.
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Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:22 pm to Theduckhunter
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“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,’ I would have done it.”
So this is the actual quote on 60 minutes...and it is significantly different than what either of you have claimed and, for some reason, only quoted part of what she said...
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, ‘Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in,’ I would have done it," Feinstein told Stahl. "I could not do that. The votes weren’t here."
She knew the votes weren't tere. That is not insignificant. Had she known the votes WERE here it either would have happened or she would have parsed her statement....knowing they were not she stated as much. Politicians are not noted for speaking directly or in truths. She said what she said with the knowledge that there was no way it was going to happen to pander to HER base. Unless of course we are to believe that Diane Feinstein was the rarest of critters on the planet, an honest politician. Its just silly.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:33 pm to evil cockroach
quote:And SCOTUS will cackle as they rule that nonsense unconstitutional just like they did with bump stocks.
And if they fail to do it, then I will take executive action," Harris said.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:34 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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if the federal govt. feels the same way that you do, I think they will vastly underestimate the tenacity of millions of "Lone wolves" and the damage that they can do to not only groups of soldiers and police, but also to the neighbors and even family that would turn them in.
The federal government would not be the first group of people to underestimate the will and capability of the American citizenry who is willing to fight and die for what they believe.
The one time that enough Americans got "together" for a common cause that did not involve a foreign power whose existence was not at stake would have been the Civil War. 5% of the population of the losing side were killed, just combatants, not counting the ancillary deaths. 1.9% of the winning side died. The US Federal Government, in the scenario feverishly imagined, would be fighting for its existence. That is a completely different scenario than any other in US history other than the civil war which was handled pretty quickly based on shear numbers and the availability of conventional weapons at the time. The difference in weapons today is monumentally different.
And to another point....millions of lone wolves willing to sacrifice their own families? Thats the people that 329 million Americans are supposed to bend a knee to when the worst thing that ever happens to them is they hit a fricking pothole while towing their bass boat to the lake??? It is silliness that borders on insanity. Is the number of seriously insane lone wolves willing to sacrifice their families because a loaf of bread costs more today than it did in 2019 10 million? 30? There is still a heaping pile more sane people in the US if the number is 100 million....and the sane people are of the same mind as the government with vastly superior weapons and training and an army of 200 million who will rat out the crazy frickers among them simply to be recognized as being sane instead of insane. Its a pipe dream and a damned silly one at that.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:42 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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You underestimate patriots because you are not one. And so you project as do all liberals.
It simple math my friend. Place a number on the size of the population willing to die for the cause. Lets say it is 100 million. Way high but lets say that is the number so we can continue to act as if this silliest of notions is not as silly as it is. That leaves 233 million Americans who are not willing to sacrifice everything for the cause and their cause will be nearly identical to the strongest military ever known with the most advanced weaponry ever known and the best training ever known. Its simply silly. It does not rise to the level of stupid or insane, its simply silly.
As far as patriotism is concerned its never been considered patriotic to dream of overthrowing the nations government and in the process killing millions of your fellow citizens. That is as stupid an idea as claiming the civil war was a war fought by freedom loving individuals who only wanted the right to enslave others. Patriots do not revolt, friend, revolutionaries do. And 9 times out of 10 they suffer greatly. They suffer even more often when there is 1 million of them with no actual grievances and 332 million whose only grievance is their SUV costs too much to drive to the Gulf of Mexico for vacation so they have to stay one day less than they would have otherwise.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 2:48 pm to Theduckhunter
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You’re getting fired up about 1 facet of an argument for gun rights, when there are plenty other reasons why we shouldn’t ban them.
I do not think any gun should be banned. Its political theater. Its as much political theater to pretend like anyone is seriously considering rounding up guns in the US. No one cares. The same is true of abortion. It was a money maker for the GOP. If it is banned across the nation it would no longer be. Only a very small % of the population really cared one way or another....but it is one hell of a fund raising tool. The mere fact that the constitution says I have the right to keep and bear arms is reason enough not to ban them....any of them. I do not have to pretend to be a silly person and act as if my AR is a concern to the United States Government. When gun owners do act that way they come off as silly at best, insane at worst....and the idiots on the other side of the issue, every bit as silly and insane, go sky screaming into the night that gun owners are nuts....and the money pours in on both sides.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 3:10 pm to AwgustaDawg
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The difference in weapons today is monumentally different.
I think that there is a faulty assumption on your part that the military and police would be monogamously loyal to the federal govt. I think you would be surprised by where their allegiance would fall. Also, the civil war was a regional war. It would not be so easy to fight a war against half the population when there is no way to identify who the opponent is by their regional location. Drop a bomb and you will kill a lot of innocents, same thing with a war of attrition.
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And to another point....millions of lone wolves willing to sacrifice their own families?
Who said a lone wolf would have to sacrifice their families?
I think you forget that AT LEAST 200million people in this country fully support our constitutional 2nd amendment rights. If you don't think that the first guy who defends that right with his/her life would become a martyr for the other 199.999999 million patriots, well, you're sadly mistaken.
Again, because you are not a patriot, you do not comprehend the resolve of true patriots when they are cornered.
This post was edited on 8/26/24 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 8/26/24 at 3:27 pm to AwgustaDawg
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As far as patriotism is concerned its never been considered patriotic to dream of overthrowing the nations government and in the process killing millions of your fellow citizens.
I think you misunderstand who the Patriots are and who the antagonists are in this argument. The patriots are the ones defending the U.S. Constitution (2nd Amendment). The antagonists - really the enemy, are those who usurp the Constitution and deny Constitutional rights. We have fought many wars for many reasons. Is there a better reason to fight (no matter who the enemy is) than to defend the Constitution of the United States of America?
This post was edited on 8/26/24 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 8/26/24 at 3:44 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I do not have to pretend to be a silly person and act as if my AR is a concern to the United States Government.
You are sadly mistaken if you think your AR is not a serious concern to the USG. If it wasn't, they would not be desperately trying to regulate it out of existence. They realize just how dangerous one person with one AR can be as evidenced just recently by the assassination attempt on Trump. Our government wants total, unimpeded control of the American citizenry. If we are unable to defend ourselves, they will get it. You say I'm silly, I say you are naïve.
A Lone Wolf with a plan can do a lot of damage. I don't think they want to turn millions of sane law-abiding citizens into desperate Lone Wolves.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 3:59 pm to Sixafan
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On May 17, 2013, California Attorney General Kamala Harris announced that micro-stamping had cleared all technological and patenting hurdles and would be required on newly sold semiautomatics, effective immediately. However, handguns already approved for sale but lacking this technology may still be sold as long as they remain on the Roster of Not Unsafe Handguns
Posted on 8/26/24 at 4:09 pm to Theduckhunter
quote:Like conservatives did with abortion?
She was pandering to voters
quote:The executive action crap, in the name of national security, changed the way our government works. Politicizing the Supreme Court will have the same affect. We are broken, and term limits is the only way to get all of the deeply entrenched politicians, on both sides, out of D.C.
Our system doesn’t work that way, thankfully.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 7:11 pm to NorthEnd
Executive action will get stopped by the 2nd amendment
Posted on 8/26/24 at 7:54 pm to AwgustaDawg
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It is the height of stupidity to imagine for a second that the federal government is somehow intimidated by private ownership of guns.
Hmmm.
Recognize this quote?
“If they want to take on the government if we get out of line, guess what, they need F-15s. They don’t need a rifle,”
Posted on 8/26/24 at 8:55 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Your quote is probably inaccurate and full of hyperbole
So where is hyperbole and inaccuracies in the quote I provided?
Here’s another vote for you, The Supreme Court Heller case. How much do you know about that case?
Posted on 8/26/24 at 8:58 pm to AwgustaDawg
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AwgustaDawg
This is what a democrat gun-owner looks like. Attempting to make themselves feel better about who they support by saying we are the morons.
Posted on 8/26/24 at 9:01 pm to Tiger Prawn
Dems want to stack the Supreme Court. Don’t trust these communists for a minute.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 5:27 am to chinese58
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She was pandering to voters
Like conservatives did with abortion?
This is EXACTLY why no one in the DNC is actually serious about doing anything meaningful about guns. They have watched the car chasing dog who caught the car...he doesn't know what to do with the damned thing now that he has it. The GOP and the DNC, for YEARS, used abortion to raise money. Thats all the issue was ever about for politicians. The GOP caught the car...they have no idea what to do with it. Y'all give politicians way too much credit....they do not care if someone kills a baby or shoots up a school...they care about money and power, and that is all they care about. Our hero worship, on both sides, of the miscreants enables them. I know no one will change because we are all entrenched and our side is always right and the other side is always wrong and its a personal affront to suggest otherwise. If the DNC suddenly found the support to strip away all guns they'd lose a major source of funding....they ain't having none of that foolishness.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 5:45 am to civiltiger07
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This is what a democrat gun-owner looks like. Attempting to make themselves feel better about who they support by saying we are the morons.
I never said anyone was a moron, I said it was a silly notion to dream about holding off the federal government with weapons. I seriously doubt many of the gun owners I know, and everyone I know owns guns, are delusional enough to seriously think that themselves and 200,000 or so like minded individuals are of any concern whatsoever to the federal government. We are talking about a group of people, gun owners, who live lives that would make European royalty of 150 years ago envious. There is no actual threat to that lifestyle....there is a lot of irrational fear about supposed threats but there is nothing on the horizon or in the foreseeable future which threatens the lavish lifestyle that we enjoy in the United States. We are soooooooo far removed from anything which would make enough of us desperate enough to even attempt such a silly idea that it is laughable. When you consider the situation in every instance in the record of human existence where such a revolt was successful in the ensuing years it is even more laughable. I seriously doubt more than a handful of people who would make the argument that guns keep the government at bay actually believe it. It sounds good, it is not remotely true.
The argument that guns are needed to keep the government at bay is actually the best tool available to the government to keep anyone who seriously thinks it is true in check. It marginalizes that person. They and anyone who is like minded are seen as the lunatics they are by the rest of the 330 million Americans who are not bent on destroying the best nation ever known to exist. The lunatics are tossed in jail. tossed in asylums, find themselves existing on the margins and all the issues related to that. Who needs weapons when you have 330 million people completely opposed to the wild, feverish dreams of what, 3 million? Is the number that high? It sounds good at deer camp and at NRA rally's, it is very different when those same people who like the sound of it at Deer camp and NRA rally's is faced with the choice to risk their lavish lifestyle to accomplish some undefined goal that, when it is spelled out, is seen by all but a small number as the most insane idea ever to materialize between the ears of a person.
Look to radical Islam for an example of what we are discussing. Loads of public support for Islamic terrorism in the middle east but when it comes time to strap the bombs on most of that support suddenly remembers they have business elsewhere. Its all fun and games until an individual realizes they are the one who is expected to sacrifice everything. When that individual's only real complaints is the price of gasoline for the gas guzzling truck they chose to buy their commitment to the cause is going to be exposed for wanting.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 5:55 am to AwgustaDawg
There is a thread on this board about this but somewhere in the neighborhood of 82 million American adults own a firearm of some sort. Thats about 32% of the adult population of the US. 10 million of those gun owners are not registered to vote, the baseline of political apathy. Thats about 12% of gun owners who are not registered to vote. This is EXACTLY why the federal government is not overly concerned with us and our arsenals....12% of gun owners can't be bothered to register to vote, let alone actually vote....while 68% of Americans adults do not own a gun. It is insane to assume that a sizeable number of the 32% who do own a gun do so because they intend to sacrifice everything to keep the federal government in check. I'd bet less than half of that number have ever even heard of or seriously considered that idea. Even if all of them are committed they are severely outnumbered and out gunned. That is why it is a damned silly idea. It sounds good. It is extremely unrealistic.....to the point of silliness.
Posted on 8/27/24 at 6:53 am to AwgustaDawg
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it is very different when those same people who like the sound of it at Deer camp and NRA rally's is faced with the choice to risk their lavish lifestyle to accomplish some undefined goal that, when it is spelled out, is seen by all but a small number as the most insane idea ever to materialize between the ears of a person.
Ah you ever heard about the American Revolution? Do you know what the British were coming for when Paul Revere rode his horse through town warning everyone that the British were coming?
I noticed you never refuted that you are a democrat gun owner. Democrats want to ban guns!
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