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re: Wounded Deer Tracking Dogs
Posted on 2/15/25 at 6:20 am to tomcatrav
Posted on 2/15/25 at 6:20 am to tomcatrav
Tom, I’ve been on around 80 tracks with Bavarians. Nearly all with my friends male, but also a couple with a female half Bavarian/ half cur. They track off the interdigital gland that secretes the “wounded deer scent”. No blood needed. You just need to get them close to where the deer was standing. As WestM said, they won’t waste much time on a deer that isn’t recoverable. In that case, they return to the buggy and are ready to go home. The male I’ve tracked with will only bark when he gets a deer bayed or jumps a wounded one. If I was buying a tracking dog, it would be a Bavarian. They track in minutes what would take you hours, if you could even find the deer.
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 7:30 am to 257WBY
Thanks so much for the info to both of you. Everything I had read/watched about Bavarians looked great, but they are pretty rare (at least around here) so it made me a little nervous. Seems like they would be a good fit for me and my family. I’ll look into Lumpey’s kennels. The OB delivers again.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 11:09 am to Old Man and a Porch
Have a rauhhaar teckel for tracking. Use 50ft snag less lead &/or Garmin 2000 mini .
She’s 23# & will get after it .
Flashing LED light on Garmin , bell on vest , beast high viz orange with a back rear ring for lead attachment.
Search for YeagerTracks on web .
She’s 23# & will get after it .
Flashing LED light on Garmin , bell on vest , beast high viz orange with a back rear ring for lead attachment.
Search for YeagerTracks on web .
Posted on 2/16/25 at 1:13 pm to LSUCajndoc1
I also have a German Teckel. She is a good tracker also. She has gotten old on me. I retired her several years ago.
Only problem with her was she liked to run live deer. If u were on a trail and jumped a live deer she was done.
my Bavarian is a better track dog compared to my teckel
Only problem with her was she liked to run live deer. If u were on a trail and jumped a live deer she was done.
my Bavarian is a better track dog compared to my teckel
Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:01 pm to Old Man and a Porch
Off leash. I have a garmin alpha 300 with a tt25 collar attached to a curr dog.
Posted on 2/17/25 at 6:29 am to WestMTiger
I’ve seen this first hand a few years ago. The guy with the dog explained it to me and I thought he was full of shite. Then he proved it to me during the track. Absolutely amazing. A dogs nose is on a level we can’t comprehend
Posted on 2/17/25 at 8:08 am to TurkeyThug
Have you ever had concern of your dog being injured or run over?
Posted on 2/17/25 at 10:16 am to lsushelly
It absolutely is. It is incredible
Posted on 2/18/25 at 1:50 pm to Old Man and a Porch
GPS collar, Jagd Terrier, but I try to stay pretty close about 100 yards.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:51 pm to Old Man and a Porch
Never have but we are tracking where there is no way she could get far enough away to get run over
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:25 pm to Old Man and a Porch
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Wounded Deer Tracking Dogs
Did someone say 6.5 Creedmore?
Posted on 2/18/25 at 10:14 pm to Old Man and a Porch
100% off leash. My current dog is a Catahoula and is the best I’ve personally ever seen. On confirmed hit deer over the last 8 years he is 82% successful recovery(meaning either he got the deer with no sign or had blood hair etc where deer was shot or ran.) there have been several others of course with no sign of a hit at all and he didn’t key on any scent so those are assumed to be clean misses. Anyways he is 9 years old now so I am starting to think about the next one now. I’d like to get one started to go with him in his elderly years while he can still go.
On leash is fine for a dead deer and in woods you can at least somewhat travel through easily but when it’s alive and the woods are jungle thick leash is a no go. Dog has to be able to really go and in many case run the deer down and bay it just cannot do that on leash on to many live deer. With today’s gps track and train collars a leash really serves no purpose anymore IMO.
Generally I put him on the deer then just wait and watch the gps and see what he does. Often he will got take the deer across roads creeks etc and end up treed on a dead one or baying a live on hundreds of yards from the shot but only a few yards from another road or trail can drive down.
The biggest issues I ran into off leash was on smaller properties or close to property lines having him following a track onto another property. In these situations hopefully permission can be obtained to go get the deer but if not no choice but to tone him back. Ideally on property where that is a likely event it’s best to have permission set up ahead of time and now when I see a situation that I think it is likely I will require an attempt be made to get permission before turning him loose. I can tone him back but it is just better overall to have all that ahead of time and avoid any conflict with him being where he isn’t welcome. I will still turn him loose if they can’t get permission but they will know that if he gets to the line I will be stopping him there and not let him cross.
As far as concerns of injury, being ran over etc…..the collar really helps with the road issues. Stop him at the road and get him back. Then go around to the road and start him back right there going on across it. Injury from fighting a wounded deer or just whatever random in the woods thing might happen I mean it’s always a risk. Anything you do anything there is risk and all dog men know that anytime they turn their dog loose it very well might be the last time but that said it’s a pretty small risk and the dog is absolutely having a blast doing what they love to do.
On leash is fine for a dead deer and in woods you can at least somewhat travel through easily but when it’s alive and the woods are jungle thick leash is a no go. Dog has to be able to really go and in many case run the deer down and bay it just cannot do that on leash on to many live deer. With today’s gps track and train collars a leash really serves no purpose anymore IMO.
Generally I put him on the deer then just wait and watch the gps and see what he does. Often he will got take the deer across roads creeks etc and end up treed on a dead one or baying a live on hundreds of yards from the shot but only a few yards from another road or trail can drive down.
The biggest issues I ran into off leash was on smaller properties or close to property lines having him following a track onto another property. In these situations hopefully permission can be obtained to go get the deer but if not no choice but to tone him back. Ideally on property where that is a likely event it’s best to have permission set up ahead of time and now when I see a situation that I think it is likely I will require an attempt be made to get permission before turning him loose. I can tone him back but it is just better overall to have all that ahead of time and avoid any conflict with him being where he isn’t welcome. I will still turn him loose if they can’t get permission but they will know that if he gets to the line I will be stopping him there and not let him cross.
As far as concerns of injury, being ran over etc…..the collar really helps with the road issues. Stop him at the road and get him back. Then go around to the road and start him back right there going on across it. Injury from fighting a wounded deer or just whatever random in the woods thing might happen I mean it’s always a risk. Anything you do anything there is risk and all dog men know that anytime they turn their dog loose it very well might be the last time but that said it’s a pretty small risk and the dog is absolutely having a blast doing what they love to do.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 5:40 am to Jvalhenson
I appreciate the response.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 8:03 am to Old Man and a Porch
I will add to all this about the using the train part of the gps collar. This is just my opinion on this and the way it works for me so far. I think it could be a mistake to use the “static correction” part to soon when first starting a dog on tracking. I could easily see this making them just not take a track at all although I haven’t actually seen that happen it is just a fear with that I have. Instead I use the correction first at other times just to get the dog to know to listen to commands and what the tone from the collar means. I do this by using it at more leisure type times. Dog is being hyper jumping and playing with the kids great time to tell him to lay down etc and give him a tone and correction when he doesn’t listen so it’s not at all related to tracking but just obeying commands. Go for a walk and he is barking at car tell him to stop and give a tone and correction if he doesn’t. I just don’t want the “shock” associated with tracking but with commands instead.
Also don’t get in to much habit of toning them at roads trails etc unless necessary. I have numerous times seen some great dogs ruined by being toned every time they hit a road trial etc. this leads to them automatically stopping any time they cross a road expecting that tone to come so they hit the road then just run down it and the track is done. Just Be very selective when you use the corrections especially at first is all.
Also don’t get in to much habit of toning them at roads trails etc unless necessary. I have numerous times seen some great dogs ruined by being toned every time they hit a road trial etc. this leads to them automatically stopping any time they cross a road expecting that tone to come so they hit the road then just run down it and the track is done. Just Be very selective when you use the corrections especially at first is all.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:36 am to Old Man and a Porch
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Do you track on leash or off leash and why?
Local guy has about a 30' lead on the dog, but doesn't hold it, does that count as off leash?
Posted on 2/20/25 at 12:31 am to Kingpenm3
I have a female Redbone I use for tracking,I work her on a 30 foot leash.Main reason is I fear having a coyote finding the deer first.
Most of her tracks have actually been fake,I drag the deer behind my golf cart making R and L turns,etc obviously not in the woods,it’s down lanes and highline,on my property..
She has made only 4-5 real tracking jobs where the deer ran any distance.
Only one was no blood trail,following inter digital track.,She did a good job on that one,little slower than a blood trail.
Funny thing happened last season.My stepson killed a deer on a Sunday when I was at church.He went home,got my dog but didn’t bring my trailer I
use to load the deer.That’s my usual practice,hook up the trailer and get the dog.
She found the deer ,it had ran in the opposite direction he thought it had.He tried to make her go where he thought it went but she wasn’t having it,found it easily.
Then he tried to get her back on the golf cart to go get the trailer to load the deer.She refused to leave the deer,he tried to drag her onto the golf cart,she fought him and ended up biting him.
He left her with the deer,went and got the trailer and came back.She had no problem with him loading the deer,she jumped on the golf cart and they came home.
She loves trailing a shot deer.When I come home,hook up the trailer,get her tracking harness she goes bananas,hyperventilating,panting.
Once I get home with the deer she has no interest in it anymore.
She might be really,good at tracking if she got more work,Only hunters I know in my area are the guys I go to church with and several of them have their own dogs.
I don’t advertise her or join a tracking group because I’m too old to be going out late at night on a tracking job.
She’s a pet,housedog,watchdog.I have a long driveway,if a vehicle turns onto our driveway and it’s not someone in the family she’s at the door barking her head off.Her hearing ability is fascinating how she can distinguish a strange vehicle from someone in the family from inside the house.
Most of her tracks have actually been fake,I drag the deer behind my golf cart making R and L turns,etc obviously not in the woods,it’s down lanes and highline,on my property..
She has made only 4-5 real tracking jobs where the deer ran any distance.
Only one was no blood trail,following inter digital track.,She did a good job on that one,little slower than a blood trail.
Funny thing happened last season.My stepson killed a deer on a Sunday when I was at church.He went home,got my dog but didn’t bring my trailer I
use to load the deer.That’s my usual practice,hook up the trailer and get the dog.
She found the deer ,it had ran in the opposite direction he thought it had.He tried to make her go where he thought it went but she wasn’t having it,found it easily.
Then he tried to get her back on the golf cart to go get the trailer to load the deer.She refused to leave the deer,he tried to drag her onto the golf cart,she fought him and ended up biting him.
He left her with the deer,went and got the trailer and came back.She had no problem with him loading the deer,she jumped on the golf cart and they came home.
She loves trailing a shot deer.When I come home,hook up the trailer,get her tracking harness she goes bananas,hyperventilating,panting.
Once I get home with the deer she has no interest in it anymore.
She might be really,good at tracking if she got more work,Only hunters I know in my area are the guys I go to church with and several of them have their own dogs.
I don’t advertise her or join a tracking group because I’m too old to be going out late at night on a tracking job.
She’s a pet,housedog,watchdog.I have a long driveway,if a vehicle turns onto our driveway and it’s not someone in the family she’s at the door barking her head off.Her hearing ability is fascinating how she can distinguish a strange vehicle from someone in the family from inside the house.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 7:38 am to LSUA 75
Assuming you have a fair sized dog Coyotes are really of very little to no concern. I have found dozens of deer with coyotes on them already with mine and he just runs them off. If it’s several coyotes already there sometimes they’ll hang around circling and barking at him but they keep a safe distance and once I get there they gone. Of course they are animals so you never know what they gonna do and if it’s a smaller dog I guess it may be a bit more of a concern but still minimal in my experiences
Posted on 2/20/25 at 10:30 am to LSUCajndoc1
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Jagd Terrier, German Teckel
What's the prey drive like on these dogs? I have a pudelpointer that I use for trailing and his is off the charts. He's always hunting something in the yard, but very focused on trailing when that's the task at hand. He's getting up there in age and I am considering getting a new dog to get started.
Posted on 2/20/25 at 3:50 pm to way_south
Used to have a bloodhound. tracked him on leash because I didn't have a GPS collar. Never had any issues.
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