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re: A biblical warning about our times
Posted on 2/4/22 at 5:56 pm to LSUconvert
Posted on 2/4/22 at 5:56 pm to LSUconvert
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Common sense is not a literary technique.
Which I didn’t say. I was saying common sense for the one reading the scripture
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 6:11 pm
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Posted on 2/4/22 at 6:00 pm to bucknut
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I have some bad news for you. The pre-tribulation rapture is a false and dangerous teaching.
I’ll ask you a simple question. God promised us as believers that we were not appointed to face his wrath which was to come. How would believers escape the wrath of God that will be poured out globally, if we are still on the earth when it takes place ?
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 6:02 pm to Astrosfan
Oh horseshite!...... This shite has been preached about for centuries.... Not that I am some atheist because I am not, but this shite could be applied to many centuries before us..... Just stop it!
You say that you are a Christian? Your language says otherwise
You say that you are a Christian? Your language says otherwise
Posted on 2/4/22 at 6:07 pm to Dawgwithnoname
So, 2 dudes exchanged "money" over a bet or loan? I'm an atheist that believes there is no place for biblical quotes on a forum. There is absolutely no proof of a God or whatever some Bible thumping people believe. For the record, I was raised Catholic, and woke up to the science fiction nonsense about 30 Yeats ago. God is allegedly all powerful, but somehow needs money. Yeah ok
Posted on 2/4/22 at 6:09 pm to L.A.
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Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Matthew
Could not this verse be simply talking about Jesus appearing again to the disciples after he had risen to the Father and offered up his sacrifice for the sins of man?
Posted on 2/4/22 at 6:25 pm to Revelator
When Jesus made that statement, he was truthful in his prediction. At the time Judas was still alive. Judas would not live to see Jesus resurrected.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 6:32 pm to Revelator
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Could not this verse be simply talking about Jesus appearing again to the disciples after he had risen to the Father and offered up his sacrifice for the sins of man?
That's hard to fit the larger context.
"For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
The bolded part sounds infinitely more like a description of Jesus' second coming and passing judgment on all of humanity than it does him just appearing a few days after his earthly death to a few people.
Moreover, that section of Matthew chapter 16 was Jesus discussing how he's going to go to Jerusalem, be tortured, killed, and rise from the grave after 3 days. How much of a time-lapse are we talking about from that conversation to his actual crucifixion? The shorter the length of time, the more odd the statement of "some standing here who will not taste death" seems to be.
How prophetic would it be if I told a group of my buddies that some here wouldn't taste death before my daughter's next birthday? Sounds dramaqueen-ish.
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 2/4/22 at 7:06 pm to Azkiger
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You need to stop and listen to yourself.
Everything you know about Jesus was written down by his disciples. But you know more about Jesus than they did...
I don't know anymore than the disciples did about when He is coming back. I say they're wrong because if they thought it would happen within their lifetimes, it didn't.
Jesus doesn't even know when He's coming back. No one but the Father knows. But it's (the rapture, at the very least) imminent, and it's been imminent since He ascended back to the Father's right hand.
Posted on 2/4/22 at 7:21 pm to Revelator
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Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Matthew
Could not this verse be simply talking about Jesus appearing again to the disciples after he had risen to the Father and offered up his sacrifice for the sins of man?
Doesn't seem to be the context. Here is the verse again, including the verse preceding it:
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Matthew 16:27-28 (NIV)27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. 28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
He seems to be talking about an apocalyptic event
Posted on 2/4/22 at 7:45 pm to rickyh
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You say that you are a Christian? Your language says otherwise
Got to much testosterone in me.... I ain't a freaking sheep and never will be one. You let a preacher get smartassed with me and I will light his fricking arse up in a heartbeat.... Go be meek mfer.... Truth logic and common sense
Posted on 2/4/22 at 8:32 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Christians” that say Jesus would be ok with gay marriage and men or women calling themselves the opposite sex. Or the ones that say you hate someone because you disagree with gay marriage or abortions. They claim if you hate the sin (or even call it a sin), you hate the person themself and you can’t separate the two. Which totally flies in the face of “hate the sin, not the sinner”.
Narrow is the path that leads to heaven. Matthew 7:14
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:37 pm to L.A.
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For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done
Is He talking about an examination of Works?
How can this be when the Baptist preacher insists that we are Saved by Faith Alone?
Posted on 2/4/22 at 10:53 pm to Champagne
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For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done
Is He talking about an examination of Works?
That does seem to be what he's saying, doesn't it?
Posted on 2/4/22 at 11:15 pm to Champagne
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Is He talking about an examination of Works? How can this be when the Baptist preacher insists that we are Saved by Faith Alone?
It says Jesus will reward people for what they have done, and he will.
It never says, nor implies that one’s works, gets you to heaven. People who’s names aren’t written in the Book of Life, will be judged by their works because they failed to except the free gift of God, which was the sacrificial death of his son at Calvary, instead, all will fall short.
The rewards spoken of in this passage and others is given to those saved at the judgement seat of Christ, which is a separate event from the Great White Thorne Judgment.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Imputed righteousness isn’t a Baptist doctrine, it’s a biblical doctrine.
This post was edited on 2/4/22 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:12 am to Revelator
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For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
St. Paul here is speaking of initial justification, which we agree happens apart from works. But as shown below faith without works is dead. The teaching that once saved always saved us where we depart. I point you to Jesus teaching on the vine and the branches. Someone who is attached to the vine, Jesus has been saved but can die if he does not bear fruit or good works.
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
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If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day,
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and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well,” but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?
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So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
I also point you to the council of Trent something all Protestants should become familiar with, it would clear up the misunderstanding many of you have with Catholic teaching on justification.
Take for example this text
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Canon 1. If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law,[110] without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema
Anathema basically means someone is in error, another word for heresy.
What you claim we believe we declare is heresy.
This next canon is likely where we disagree. But I would say St James already laid this truth out and Trent is merely reasserting it.
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If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone,[114] meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:00 am to Revelator
This is a good article about faith vs works. One thing to consider is that Paul is the apostle to the gentiles, while James was not. Also the council at Jerusalem settled the matter of faith vs works.
doctrine.org
doctrine.org
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:08 am to ChestRockwell
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There is absolutely no proof of a God or whatever some Bible thumping people believe. For the record, I was raised Catholic, and woke up to the science fiction nonsense about 30 Yeats ago.
I have been all the way around the circle, probably same as you. I know now that God is real. I’m not probably the best example of a believer but I just feel that the idea of life having purpose and the struggle to have a positive charge is fueled by a higher power.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:33 am to 75503Tiger
If there is no God, what is it that you are living for, and what is the the evidence that it is true?
Non believers don't believe because they want to live their life without absolute moral laws
Non believers don't believe because they want to live their life without absolute moral laws
Posted on 2/5/22 at 9:52 am to catholictigerfan
Also please tell Revelator that the phrase "Imputed Righteousness" appears nowhere in the Bible and that this doctrine was not in the Church for the first 1,500 years of the history of Christ's Church.
Revelator: Imputed Righteousness is a tradition and doctrine invented by men sometime in the 1500s. Follow not the traditions of men, but, rather follow the traditions and teachings of the Church, as Paul warned us.
LINK
Paul warned us to hold fast to the traditions of the Church, not the traditions invented by men born 1,500 years after formation of the Church.
In any event, the Wiki page concerning "Imputed Righteousness" demonstrates that the various theological sects disagree about its content and even its name.
It's best, I say, to take the entire content of written Scripture, OT and NT, and also hold fast to the teachings and practices handed down to the Church from Christ, during his time on Earth, to the Apostles, then handed on to the Church and the designated successors to the Apostles.
Don't trust the traditions or doctrines of men who were born 1,500 years after the formation of Christ's Church.
This seems sound to me.
Revelator: Imputed Righteousness is a tradition and doctrine invented by men sometime in the 1500s. Follow not the traditions of men, but, rather follow the traditions and teachings of the Church, as Paul warned us.
LINK
Paul warned us to hold fast to the traditions of the Church, not the traditions invented by men born 1,500 years after formation of the Church.
In any event, the Wiki page concerning "Imputed Righteousness" demonstrates that the various theological sects disagree about its content and even its name.
It's best, I say, to take the entire content of written Scripture, OT and NT, and also hold fast to the teachings and practices handed down to the Church from Christ, during his time on Earth, to the Apostles, then handed on to the Church and the designated successors to the Apostles.
Don't trust the traditions or doctrines of men who were born 1,500 years after the formation of Christ's Church.
This seems sound to me.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 9:53 am to 3rdgentgr
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Non believers don't believe because they want to live their life without absolute moral laws
Atheists are under represented in prison populations. There are countries with much higher atheist populations as a percentage of total population that have less crime than America does.
In the end you're in the same boat as nonbelievers when it comes to objective morality. Atheists may not have access to it via their worldview, but you'll never be able to know if your moral code aligns with said objective morality.
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