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re: Abortion from a Republican woman's perspective...
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:32 pm to Tigerinthewoods
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:32 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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You are naïve if you think a God-fearing person can separate their faith from their world view.
Your world view is the same as your personal morality.
Political policy preferences are something else.
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SFP, don't worry buddy, just keep doing what you do.
Abortions so far: 0
Abortions anticipated the rest of my life: 0
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Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:It really isn't. This isn't a courtroom where one can argue bullshite and win because people are buffaloed by that bullshite. A zygote with its own individual human genetic make up is an individual human being. That is a stone cold fact. Inconvenient for some, but fact.
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The baby is a human being from the moment of conception.
That's your opinion.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:34 pm to gaetti15
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Yes you will be.
So you believe adultery should be illegal?
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Look idk what political/religious persuasion you are but believing in one thing personally and saying that you don't support it publicly is called being a hypocrite
The public profession of my personal beliefs is still not the same as political policy preferences.
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parrticularly when you know it's immoral and tell people you don't care
You're just trying to re-state the conflation in a different way.
I care about adultery. I think it's immoral. I've never cheated on a partner.
I don't think adultery should be illegal.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Abortions so far: 0 Abortions anticipated the rest of my life: 0
Sorry for the lack of sex.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:35 pm to Jake88
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A zygote with its own individual human genetic make up is an individual human being.
It has the potential to develop into an individual human. Nobody is arguing that.
Most don't, without abortion. I don't think we're going to arrest people for murder for zygotes that don't implant or implanted ones that don't become humans.
At some point down that line, prior to birth, we will.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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huge part of the wage gap and she would have no say in that impact.
I thought we got past this retardation months ago.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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That's your opinion.
No, it is fact. LINK
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The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:38 pm to David_DJS
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I thought we got past this retardation months ago.
The Motherhood Penalty Exists whether you agree or not. There is lots of other data on this.
FWIW, I use this data to argue with Leftists who argue "institutional biases" lead to the wage gap.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Irrelevant, does not change the fact.
And what % of zygotes reach viability?
quote:Irrelevant, does not change the fact.
How many even reach implantation?
When a human dies, it does not invalidate that they were an individual member of the homo-sapiens species when they lived.
From the moment of conception the human life cycle has begun. That’s a fact for some strange reason you’re unable to accept.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So you believe adultery should be illegal?
In a world that God envisions yes, will it ever happen in my lifetime in America? No. Does it mean I still won't say in public I don't believe adultery should be legal be ause of convenience? No.
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The public profession of my personal beliefs is still not the same as political policy preferences.
Because you think it's natural to not conflate morality with politics
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care about adultery. I think it's immoral. I've never cheated on a partner.
I don't think adultery should be illegal.
Hypocrite...of convenience.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:It is as soon as it's formed. Do you need to see fingers and toes to realize it? That's primitive thinking.
It has the potential to develop into an individual human
quote:Naturally fail to implant or go to term, no. And, I'm not arguing about arresting anyone anyway.
I don't think we're going to arrest people for murder for zygotes that don't implant or implanted ones that don't become humans
My only argument in this thread is that a zygote is an individual human life.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:40 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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If you disagree, I'll let God convince you one day when you stand before Him.
you understand that not everyone believes in the same "God" as you and if that's true (which it is,) your "God" might just be in your head so you are on an island. thanks for your opinion - not everyone agrees, deacon.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:44 pm to gaetti15
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Hypocrite...of convenience.
So if all immorality and sins should be illegal, to avoid hypocrisy as a Christian, should it be illegal for people not to believe in Jesus?
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:45 pm to Warrior Court
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you understand that not everyone believes in the same "God" as you and if that's true (which it is,) your "God" might just be in your head so you are on an island. thanks for your opinion - not everyone agrees, deacon.
What God do you have envisioned? One that conveniently ignores your tough but wrong decisions? Decisions that tug on your heart because maybe you know it is wrong but decided to do it anyway because God would forgive you anyway...just because you believe in him?
People conveniently forgot about how God is the ultimate purveyor of justice. It's not just to say one thing in private and another in Public
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:47 pm to Tigerinthewoods
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You just better hope that there is no God. It might be a little uncomfortable for you one day if there is.
is he up there in the clouds or sitting on top of the moon? serious question - where does your God live? is he just "out there" and you know he exists?
this comes from fear of the unknown and generally less intelligent people fall for it time after time.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:A is A. It does not need potential to develop into one, it already is one.
It has the potential to develop into an individual human. Nobody is arguing that.
A is A.
quote:Neither they nor you seems to know what a human being is. You certainly haven’t been able to articulate that.
Most don't, without abortion.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:47 pm to gaetti15
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Decisions that tug on your heart because maybe you know it is wrong but decided to do it anyway because God would forgive you anyway...just because you believe in him?
I've already stated I have had 0 abortions and believe adultery is wrong.
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It's not just to say one thing in private and another in Public
Has nothing to do with the personal-political distinction.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:48 pm to gaetti15
You absolutist sound like the Taliban.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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So if all immorality and sins should be illegal, to avoid hypocrisy as a Christian, should it be illegal for people not to believe in Jesus?
See in Catholcism we have the confession and Eucharist.
We have alot of Catholics that don't believe in the things they are supposed to...some would even say the majority of Catholics.
But that doesn't not influence what God wants of us. Which is...yes...to limit sins and immorality...particularly those things listed in the 10 commandments and other things Jesus mentioned (love one another as I have loved you).
But think about this...Jesus didn't just go with the flow of rationality in politics back then...especially out of convenience.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:49 pm to llfshoals
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Neither they nor you seems to know what a human being is. You certainly haven’t been able to articulate that.
I have openly said none of us know the instant those cells become a sentient human. That includes me. I have been clear on this.
I haven't framed any such timeline for the morality discussion. I do not know the point.
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