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re: Abortion from a Republican woman's perspective...
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:55 pm to madamtiger
Posted on 9/1/24 at 4:55 pm to madamtiger
Abortion is the biggest club the dems have ever had to beat the unholy living frick out of republicans with, and they will use it for as long as possible.
The good news? Eventually the GOP isn’t going to exist so it’s only useful for a matter of time.
The good news? Eventually the GOP isn’t going to exist so it’s only useful for a matter of time.
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Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:00 pm to Azkiger
quote:When the Constitution was written in 1787, it did not explicitly deny women the right to vote, but it also did not grant them that right. Voting qualifications were left to individual states, which generally restricted voting to property-owning or tax-paying white males.
I know many founding fathers saw the hypocrisy in allowing slavery to persist while voicing ideals of how every person has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Did any of them have similar reservations for women not being allowed to vote?
Reservations re: women's suffrage aside, Adams, Franklin and others would certainly have supported it.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
You can be practical without pandering.
This abortion thing that you and SFP advocate is every bit as much pandering as anything else Trump does. More, actually, because (for some idiot reason) he really thinks things like trade tariffs are a good idea, whereas with something like this abortion concession, it's just pure pandering according to the dictionary definition of the word.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:01 pm to LookSquirrel
quote:State bans.
or limits per State?
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:01 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
Do men not know that sex can result in pregnancy? Do men not know that women decide if they want to continue the pregnancy in state where abortion is legal?
Why do we have to act like men can’t possibly know where babies come from?
Yes, but my reply was to the question why people slut shame women that have abortions, but don't slut shame the men that are on the other half of the process. Nothing that you said proves my response incorrect.
Abortion is 100% a woman issue. Men should bring a condom every time they leave the house. Women should get the shot every 6 months until the are married. Both parties are to blame on the front end, but only 1 party had control after.
If the morning after pill is legal, which it should be, there's no need for rape and incest exceptions.
I'm pro choice, and am very much on the side of abortion being a state issue. Abortion is murder, and there aren't many federal laws against murder.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:04 pm to LookSquirrel
quote:
"IF" men had to wait for marriage to have any chance of sexual relations with a Female/ Woman there would be more marriages.
"IF" Female/Women made men wait for marriage before dropping their drawers, there would be more people getting married.
"IF" it was harder to get a divorce, maybe marriages would be more of "until death do I depart" kind.
"IF" we could go back to before the sexual revolution, we wouldn't have so many perverts going around raping Female/Women.
Big "IFs", but maybe there is some wisdom in that fantasy somewhere.
Unless you're going to mandate all of that by law, again I ask, what is the point of fixating on it?
IF society could accept personal responsibility, we'd be much better off in just about every way, including this one.
So just go make everyone more personally responsible.
I'll wait here.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:05 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
When the Constitution was written in 1787, it did not explicitly deny women the right to vote
Nor did it deem black people as sub/non-human.
I take it they didn't voice similar opinions on woman's suffrage?
That's not saying they're right, mind you, only that scottydoesntknow's post suggesting such was actually correct, and your "summary" of what he meant was extremely dishonest and immature.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:06 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
Why are men exempt from accountability? If a man 100% does not want his potential offspring to be aborted, he should not engage in the only activity that could result in a pregnancy. If he chooses to engage in the only activity that could result in a pregnancy, he is choosing to risk his partner potentially getting an abortion.
Just asking again since you didn't answer this question the first time around yet still keep posting this silliness.
This is the same nonsense you foisted here last time abortion came up.
I genuinely don't understand what point you think you're making with it.
Men have no say in the abortion decision and there's no way to "hold them accountable" other than they way they are already held accountable (financially).
So what is the point of this? What is it you're looking for here?
You just want men slut shamed like women? O.k., fine. Men are just as irresponsible as the women.
Can we stop this drivel now?
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:09 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
State bans.
Has a state banned abortion absolutely?
All the ones I'm aware of carve out exemptions for IVF, rape, incest, mother's physical health, or genetic defects.
I understand that 97-98% of abortions are due to convivence where the doctors aren't practicing healthcare and instead are acting as economic advisors cutting costs, but there seems to be more scenarios where the states that do limit abortion, allow abortion than they do deny abortion.
Seeing as that's the case, it would seem they could be classified as allowing abortion in most scenarios, which should please the pro-choice crowd.
This post was edited on 9/1/24 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:13 pm to CubsFanBudMan
quote:Good f*cking grief!
If the morning after pill is legal, which it should be, there's no need for rape and incest exceptions.
Please do tell us how a sexually naive 12y/o in a dysfunctional household who is raped by a relative has access to the morning after pill or the wherewithal to pursue it subsequent to the emotional disorientation of her rape.
Idiot!
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:16 pm to Azkiger
quote:100%. E.g., Ohio tried to BAN abortion absolutely after "6wks". That attempt at a ridiculously restrictive ban did not work out so well for it's promoters.
Has a state banned abortion absolutely?
This post was edited on 9/1/24 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:18 pm to CubsFanBudMan
quote:
Abortion is 100% a woman issue.
It’s a societal issue. Would women seek abortions if society valued women, children or families? I’m currently 8 months pregnant and my government employer offers zero parental leave. I’m married with two kids already. In this economy, can a woman afford to forego 6-12 weeks of wages to recover from birthing a human and to keep said human alive? Obviously I didn’t have an abortion nor did the possibility cross my mind, but people who are so concerned with the financial implications of an unwanted pregnancy for MEN fail to consider the financial implications of any pregnancy for women.
Society values profits over babies. We would rather have decreasing birth rates than make it feasible for most women to have babies. We need women back at work immediately- to hell with the newborn. And good luck paying for daycare after taking 6 weeks unpaid leave to physically recover from birthing a human being.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:19 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
100%. E.g., Ohio tried to BAN abortion absolutely after "6wks".
1.) You're saying they tried. Trying to ban isn't a ban.
2.) If it would have been allowed under 6 weeks then it's not an absolute ban.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:19 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
State bans.
Has any State banned any and ALL Abortions?
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:21 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Please do tell us how a sexually naive 12y/o in a dysfunctional household who is raped by a relative has access to the morning after pill or the wherewithal to pursue it subsequent to the emotional disorientation of her rape.
So they don't have the access to a pill or the wherewithal to get it, but they have access to abortion clinics and the wherewithal to walk into a clinic and claim they were raped by someone in their disfuctional household?
Okay genius.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:21 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
quote:Not even close try againI'm not "trying" at all, yet. You laid it all out in opposition to posts, including the OP, suggesting that if we want to restrict 1st trimester abortions, the dude who can't keep it in his pants, MUST be held fully responsible for his own actions ... for life.
I didnt even address this, never once mentioned the words 1st trimester abortions or addressed dudes who cant keep it in their pants. You are confused
We already force child support. The problem is that women are so reckless and stupid that they let men who couldnt support a fruit fly impregnate them
This post was edited on 9/1/24 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:22 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:
Men have no say in the abortion decision and there's no way to "hold them accountable" other than they way they are already held accountable (financially).
So why are they having sex?
quote:
I genuinely don't understand what point you think you're making with it.
Men are choosing to have sex knowing that sex is the only way a pregnancy can occur, then playing the victim if their sexual partners get pregnant.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:23 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Good f*cking grief!
Please do tell us how a sexually naive 12y/o in a dysfunctional household who is raped by a relative has access to the morning after pill or the wherewithal to pursue it subsequent to the emotional disorientation of her rape.
How many times does that happen and why should federal elections hinge on that scenario? You completely skipped over the part where I said I'm pro choice and murder is a state issue. If states want to put in an exception based on age, or criminality, they have that option. The main point you should have focused on is that the plan b pill should be legal to reduce the need for abortions based on rape and incest. If a 20 year old is raped, take the damn pill the next day. Don't wait 5 months to decide if you want the kid or not.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:25 pm to Azkiger
quote:No, nitwit. They banned it. Period. Full Stop!
You're saying they tried. Trying to ban isn't a ban.
Then Ohio libs countered with a constitutional amendment to basically eliminate any restrictions on abortion whatsoever. It passed. The overly-restrictive ban was a gone pecan.
Posted on 9/1/24 at 5:26 pm to hogcard1964
quote:
but they have access to abortion clinics and the wherewithal to walk into a clinic and claim they were raped by someone in their disfuctional household?
They likely wouldn't. But it's unlikely a 12 year old would be able to hide a pregnancy from society at large.
These are one off instances though. Even if you allow abortion for rape, incest, IVF, mother's life, genetic defects, etc., you're still banning 97-98% of all abortions and that's not acceptable for them.
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