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Posted on 9/2/24 at 3:03 pm to TigerChick2018
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I can be okay with exceptions for incest and rape. Those are entirely different scenarios
No, they aren't.
An innocent human being is killed in all of those scenarios.
On the surface your stance seems reasonable, but drilling down a little all you're pushing back on is the irresponsibility of the women creating these children voluntarily.
You still are defining the worth of the unborn human in terms of the emotional profile of the woman instead of assigning inherent worth to the unborn human by simple virtue of its existence, which is the whole underlying irrationality of abortion.
Pretending that that is the criteria by which the whole question should be interpreted is precisely what allows the whole thing to persist.
It's not about the woman. No matter what happened to her. No mater what she does or doesn't want.
It's about protecting the life of the human being inside her.
If she doesn't want to keep a child she can give it up for adoption. It's not about forcing her to parent the child, it's about protecting its life until someone else can care for it.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 3:16 pm to Tasseo
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Forgot to add ..sounds like that TX broad who championed her abortion at the DNC had it bc she found out the baby had a disability, not bc of her own health.
That should be prosecuted accordingly.
Pro-abortion women [and men] will vote for euthanasia of the elderly, retarded, and infirmed when it finally gets on a ballot.
What they won't vote for is executing the rapists that created then need for an abortion in the first place.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 3:29 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Heres a novel idea...only have sex with men who are committed to you and who would make good fathers
People are irresponsible. Half are too irresponsible or lazy to even use turn signals. It amazes me the number of women that spread their legs for men they know are irresponsible [unemployed, already a baby daddy, married].
Posted on 9/2/24 at 3:34 pm to lsusa
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So again, I’ll ask - why is the LIFE that was created by rape or incest less worthy of being protected as “the smallest, weakest and/or most defenseless”?
Do you support the death penalty for rapists? Like actual physical, snatch a woman, hold her down and rape her, kind of rapist?
Posted on 9/2/24 at 3:47 pm to wackatimesthree
If you reread my statements I am a huge proponent of the morning after pill.
In my original post I mentioned the life of the mother. That is not always medically related.
Rape is traumatic. Imagine the trauma added being impregnated via rape… again, the morning after pill can be taken up to 5 days after.
I do not have a problem with this resolution during the Germanic stage of development.
In my original post I mentioned the life of the mother. That is not always medically related.
Rape is traumatic. Imagine the trauma added being impregnated via rape… again, the morning after pill can be taken up to 5 days after.
I do not have a problem with this resolution during the Germanic stage of development.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 9/2/24 at 3:48 pm to TigerChick2018
I apologize for not responding sooner. However, I’ve been working and am now sitting in an airport. So y’all bear with me, please.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 4:40 pm to UtahCajun
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What do you think should be done in the instances of rape or incest? Keep in mind, this is less than 1% of abortions.
I’m pointing out that it’s incongruous to say that “abortion IS murder” but be OK with that murder because the child was a product of rape or incest.
As for my general view on abortion - I recognize there are medical, ethical and theological questions that complicate the issue, before the legal questions even come in to play. Does what I understand to be a human being exist at the moment of conception? I tend to believe not, but I don’t pretend to be sure. Do I support post birth abortion? Hell no.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 4:42 pm to TigerChick2018
Hopefully more people adopt your common sense approach to a horrible issue.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:41 pm to dalefla
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It amazes me the number of women that spread their legs for men they know are irresponsible [unemployed, already a baby daddy, married].
True, it's that bad boy allure. But sometimes it's also a lie coated with her fantasy. Remember the Tinder Swindler? That guy that seduced all those women and told them he was a secret Israeli agent or something? One of those women took out nine loans for him. Women love an exciting fantasy.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 5:56 pm to TigerChick2018
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Rape is traumatic. Imagine the trauma added being impregnated via rape
Abortion comes down to whether the mother's emotional interests > child's life.
I understand that rape is traumatic, but the question is whether the emotional trauma of delivering the baby to term (the trauma of the rape can't be avoided, so we're only talking about the additional emotional discomfort of delivering the baby to term) somehow makes the woman's emotional interests greater than the child's life.
"Rape is traumatic" doesn't get me there.
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I do not have a problem with this resolution during the Germanic stage of development.
Again, you're using the exact same logic that the pro-abortionists use. You realize that, right?
You're negotiating the line at which the woman's emotions outweigh the life of the child and when pressed, you drop back to the relative stage of development of the unborn human being as a justification for allowing an adult's emotions to outweigh the life of an innocent child.
This is the old joke about the guy who asked a woman if she would have sex with him for a million dollars. She said yes. Then he asked her if she would have sex with him for a hundred dollars. "What do you think I am!" she replied.
"We've already established that, madam. Now we are simply negotiating price," was the reply.
You're just negotiating price with this line of reasoning.
This post was edited on 9/2/24 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 9/2/24 at 6:10 pm to Broadside Bob
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But fellas, if you wear a condom and only hop in bed with girls you're in a long term relationship with, this issue is largely off the table.
Good advice that I absolutely ignored as a young man. Very glad not to have come of age in this cancel culture/metoo era.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 7:39 pm to 4cubbies
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This board loves nothing more than a pick me woman who is willing to insult all other women in hopes of upvotes from strangers on the internet.
I think you’re just upset that she’s receiving the attention you crave.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 8:09 pm to wackatimesthree
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Probably adoption in most cases
As somone who was adopted, I do strongly agree that adoption is a viable solution in 99% of abortions. For rape, I see no reason to force the female to carry the result of a trumatic experience. That in and of itself is cruel punishment for an action that was out of her control.
Posted on 9/2/24 at 9:26 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Faraway, so, let me ask. In your opinion, am I killing chickens, eatting eggs?
1) Who cares, they are chickens
2) You probably rarely eat fertilized eggs if ever
The argument stands. Because that's all a morning after pills does. Components.
Number 2. This isn't to fight with you, but folks that live on farms with chickens and roosters could disagree. I grew up on such a farm.
The vast majority of the eggs were not fertilized. A few were. At that stage, you literally could not tell the difference by the naked eye.
That's OT from birth control, and abortion. Just saying that for consumption, and poultry eggs.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 6:32 am to wackatimesthree
Rape is traumatic “doesn’t get you there”?
This is “not about the mother”? You are now reducing the mother to an incubator and nothing more.
I have worked with rape victims. One was so brutal her rectum was torn and she suffered intestinal tears.
I have read the stories of rape victims who ended up killing themselves because they could not live with it.
Again, “life of the mother” is more than physically medical.
Not all women are created equally. There are some strong enough to go through a pregnancy after such a traumatic experience. I applaud them.
There are others lucky enough to just survive the experience that continue to exist day-to-day that would never survive having to carry that pregnancy to term. She is fortunate enough to have an opportunity to heal and to hopefully have family and children in the future.
There are many that kill themselves because they cannot cope with the trauma. In my opinion, that woman was not just raped. She was murdered; A slow and torturous death. Her future was stolen. Life, including her genetic line just ended. Her story just ceased to exist. Her history just ended.
Thank God pregnancy from rape is extremely rare.
That being said, I am not such a hard-liner I believe life begins the moment sperm enters a woman’s body or before sperm and egg meet or before the fertilized egg successfully attaches. I’ve always found that argument ridiculous.
As to the Germanic period, AGAIN, I do in fact go back to cases of rape and incest (which I notice you didn’t take exception to). I am okay with it.There is no sex one moment with immediate pregnancy. It’s a process that takes times and during that time it can be stopped prior to any potential implantation of the fertilized egg.
So forgive me if I don’t care that “rape is traumatic” doesn’t “get you there”.
This is “not about the mother”? You are now reducing the mother to an incubator and nothing more.
I have worked with rape victims. One was so brutal her rectum was torn and she suffered intestinal tears.
I have read the stories of rape victims who ended up killing themselves because they could not live with it.
Again, “life of the mother” is more than physically medical.
Not all women are created equally. There are some strong enough to go through a pregnancy after such a traumatic experience. I applaud them.
There are others lucky enough to just survive the experience that continue to exist day-to-day that would never survive having to carry that pregnancy to term. She is fortunate enough to have an opportunity to heal and to hopefully have family and children in the future.
There are many that kill themselves because they cannot cope with the trauma. In my opinion, that woman was not just raped. She was murdered; A slow and torturous death. Her future was stolen. Life, including her genetic line just ended. Her story just ceased to exist. Her history just ended.
Thank God pregnancy from rape is extremely rare.
That being said, I am not such a hard-liner I believe life begins the moment sperm enters a woman’s body or before sperm and egg meet or before the fertilized egg successfully attaches. I’ve always found that argument ridiculous.
As to the Germanic period, AGAIN, I do in fact go back to cases of rape and incest (which I notice you didn’t take exception to). I am okay with it.There is no sex one moment with immediate pregnancy. It’s a process that takes times and during that time it can be stopped prior to any potential implantation of the fertilized egg.
So forgive me if I don’t care that “rape is traumatic” doesn’t “get you there”.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 7:34 am
Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:16 am to UtahCajun
quote:For those of us who believe that all abortions are the killing of a child, we don’t believe that one immoral action should be added to another.
For rape, I see no reason to force the female to carry the result of a trumatic experience. That in and of itself is cruel punishment for an action that was out of her control.
Rape is absolutely horrific, however I don’t believe that abortion is a viable response to it. There have been many women who have had children as the result of rape. If a woman was able to make it through that hardship of giving birth and decided after the baby was born to kill it because she realized the mental trauma was too much for her, she would not be justified in murder. I believe the same is true for abortion.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:46 am to FooManChoo
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For those of us who believe that all abortions are the killing of a child, we don’t believe that one immoral action should be added to another
I wholeheartedly agree.
What I do not agree with is the concept that we are talking about a child throughout all stages of pregnancy.
True - life does begin at conception. This is agreed upon by biologists.
Also true - a zygote and blastocyst are not a fetus.
Posted on 9/3/24 at 8:58 am to UtahCajun
quote:Please help me understand the logic of your position then since I’m not currently able to reconcile what you said.
What I do not agree with is the concept that we are talking about a child throughout all stages of pregnancy.
True - life does begin at conception. This is agreed upon by biologists.
Also true - a zygote and blastocyst are not a fetus.
If you concede that life begins at conception, then what kind of life is it? Biologically, whatever life it is is not dog or cat, hippo or lion. Biologically it is a human life, no?
And if it is alive and it is human, how is it not a living human child from conception? Zygote, blastocyst, and fetus are developmental terms, not ontological ones, just like newborn, toddler, preteen, and teenager are development terms used for children.
So how is it not a living human child or “offspring” (what the Latin word fetus means) once it is formed and begins growing and developing?
Posted on 9/3/24 at 9:20 am to Tasseo
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Forgot to add ..sounds like that TX broad who championed her abortion at the DNC had it bc she found out the baby had a disability, not bc of her own health.
In her mind her mental health would be affected if she had to take care of a child with a disability. So, her health was at stake. It is one heck of a cop out but that is how they justify "health of the mother" in these cases.
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