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re: Any new research on morbidity numbers of flu vs. COVID?
Posted on 10/24/22 at 2:21 am to David_DJS
Posted on 10/24/22 at 2:21 am to David_DJS
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Sure. Nevermind the details. What does the CDC’s excess death algorithm have to do with any of this? It’s best to be ignorant, incurious, and to believe what we’re told to believe.
Are you implying we haven't seen a spike in excess deaths. This should be good. :)
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 2:52 am to Texaggie96
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Are you implying we haven't seen a spike in excess deaths. This should be good. :)
Never said that. I’m not even implying that Covid wasn’t a nasty virus for a lot of people. I’m implying that the CDC’s data are a joke, and anybody that cites a mortality rate based on this flawed data is willfully ignorant.
And the questions about the CDC’s excess mortality algorithm are legit. As is the question about how many excess deaths were the result of lockdowns rather than Covid.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 3:22 am to David_DJS
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Never said that. I’m not even implying that Covid wasn’t a nasty virus for a lot of people. I’m implying that the CDC’s data are a joke, and anybody that cites a mortality rate based on this flawed data is willfully ignorant.
And the questions about the CDC’s excess mortality algorithm are legit. As is the question about how many excess deaths were the result of lockdowns rather than Covid.
Mortality rates and causes are data compiled by the CDC from death certificates. Are you implying that all the coroner's in the United states have conspired to give false data?
I get it, occasionally they frick it up, hel they might even defer to it as a leading indicator, but that doesn't explain there native death counts and excess mortality for 60+ folks.
It was a horrendous virus for those folks, a minor annoyance for the rest of us. Trying to equate these Alpha and Delta strains to the flu though is just silly.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 3:34 am to Texaggie96
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Mortality rates and causes are data compiled by the CDC from death certificates. Are you implying that all the coroner's in the United states have conspired to give false data?
You need to read up on the BS that transpired during the Covid shitshow. Specifically to this topic, read about the death certificate marching program. If you do, you’ll learn that, for the pandemic only, gov’t bureaucrats were given final day on who died of Covid. A coroner could rule cause of death was XYZ, but that death certificate would be reviewed by a bureaucrat and if, for example, the decedent had a positive test for Covid within 30 days of death, whether the coroner or attending doctor said Covid played a role in said death, the bureaucrat added Covid to the death certificate. This is how we ended up with Covid death dumps several weeks after deaths actually occurred. Remember the famous case in Colorado? - a murder suicide was ruled two Covid deaths.
Did you know that over half of Covid hospitalizations involved patients asymptomatic for Covid or suffering a mild case? This is a fact, and so consider what that means for the accuracy of Covid deaths.
You should dig into the details of how the Covid scoreboard was kept. It’s both fascinating and e enraging.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 7:45 am to Upperaltiger06
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Coronavirus was manipulated to be novel to peoples prior immunity. That’s why positive flu rates dropped 98%. It hit everyone.
Uh no.
That would explain MAYBE a standard deviation
Not 98%+
COVID was conflated with the flu, on purpose, to prop the numbers up and scare people into submission. It’s public knowledge the early “tests” were “not as accurate” and many of the take home tests were quietly recalled
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:44 am to theunknownknight
Every nurse I spoke with from multiple hospitals told me they were performing their standard respiratory panel with flu A and B tests before they would Covid test. It was consistent. Flu A has just started testing positive this year. Still minimal positives for B.
Coronavirus overtook the respiratory virome because it was novel to established immunity (see furin cleavage site). That’s why it overtook other viruses.
Coronavirus overtook the respiratory virome because it was novel to established immunity (see furin cleavage site). That’s why it overtook other viruses.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:46 am to Upperaltiger06
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Coronavirus overtook the respiratory virome because it was novel to established immunity (see furin cleavage site). That’s why it overtook other viruses.
Then what happened to the other 30 million flu cases in 2020?
A simple Venn diagram shows the above narrative is stupid.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:06 am to David_DJS
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You need to read up on the BS that transpired during the Covid shitshow. Specifically to this topic, read about the death certificate marching program. If you do, you’ll learn that, for the pandemic only, gov’t bureaucrats were given final day on who died of Covid. A coroner could rule cause of death was XYZ, but that death certificate would be reviewed by a bureaucrat and if, for example, the decedent had a positive test for Covid within 30 days of death, whether the coroner or attending doctor said Covid played a role in said death, the bureaucrat added Covid to the death certificate. This is how we ended up with Covid death dumps several weeks after deaths actually occurred. Remember the famous case in Colorado? - a murder suicide was ruled two Covid deaths.
Did you know that over half of Covid hospitalizations involved patients asymptomatic for Covid or suffering a mild case? This is a fact, and so consider what that means for the accuracy of Covid deaths.
You should dig into the details of how the Covid scoreboard was kept. It’s both fascinating and e enraging.
And yet COVID deaths still happening. Sometimes that conspiracy theory that sounds great in your head is just a bunch of shite.
There's no magical board running around changing death certificates, people do frickup, but they don't frickup to the level of 1.05 million vs 100k.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:26 am to furrydogs
The mortality for healthcare workers was around 0.3% for workers with a confirmed Covid diagnosis in a recent study.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:31 am to Texaggie96
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There's no magical board running around changing death certificates
It’s not magical. There are people that run around changing Covid death counts. It’s called death certificate matching.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:04 am to furrydogs
It really is amazing the lengths Republicans go to when you'd like to use your ignorance to frame an issue, and the correct answer is freely available and relatively easy to find.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:31 am to furrydogs
My guess is that if covid is more deadly it deals with lungs and obese people. I've worked out in gyms all my life and there are exercises like dumbell arm curls that require no stress on the lungs (like jogging). Yet when obese people join the club and try it they start huffing and puffing for air through their mouth and must sit down to rest.
Covid might just = a mild cough for normal people and a serious breathing issue for the obese.
Covid might just = a mild cough for normal people and a serious breathing issue for the obese.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:48 am to furrydogs
Well they killed people who had positive COVID tests with vents and remdesivir for a couple years. I don't know if they're still doing that or not.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 10:49 am
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:07 am to Texaggie96
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Your all over the place. 36k per year average flu deaths. That's barely 100k. 1.05 MILLION have died to COVID. Empirically it's more deadly.
Maybe it was, but lets not pretend they were counted the same. A man mangled to death in a piece of farm equipment isnt tested post-mortem for the flu and recorded as a flu death. 100% of people who died with covid or presumed to have covid were counted regardless of how they died.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:09 am to Vacherie Saint
Hell, some states have thousands of presumed Covid deaths for which there is no corresponding Covid+ test.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:10 am to Zach
covid isnt seasonal either, so it'll kill at a similar rate as the flu, just do so all year long. I think if we counted covid deaths the same way we count flu deaths, we'd see a similar death rate. Covid was only killing people who couldnt survive a severe flu anyway.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:14 am to Vacherie Saint
I would assume all flu deaths in many states got dumped into Covid deaths.
Missouri typically tallies 2000-3000 flu deaths per year. For 2021, I believe we tallied 1.
Missouri typically tallies 2000-3000 flu deaths per year. For 2021, I believe we tallied 1.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:17 am to the808bass
There is really no question about that. In Louisiana, we are now seeing flu numbers going through the ceiling after about 2 years of near-zero flu. The explanation libs tried to give about covid control measures leading to the virtual elimination for flu for 2 years doesnt hold water since covid spread like wildfire in the same social environment.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:22 pm to Vacherie Saint
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covid isnt seasonal either, so it'll kill at a similar rate as the flu, just do so all year long. I think if we counted covid deaths the same way we count flu deaths, we'd see a similar death rate. Covid was only killing people who couldnt survive a severe flu anyway.
And we had had a couple of mild flu seasons going into Covid, which provided more than the usual level of "low hanging fruit."
Other countries recognized this and made it a part of public discourse. Here in the US it was hidden, even censored.
Posted on 10/24/22 at 12:28 pm to the808bass
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Hell, some states have thousands of presumed Covid deaths for which there is no corresponding Covid+ test.
That's right. I can't remember the formula exactly, but the DCM process required (I believe) only two Covid symptoms be detected for the death certificate to be changed to "Covid death" - - - so a heart attack victim suffering shortness of breath and nausea could have Covid added to his death certificate by a state gov't bureaucrat.
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