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Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:35 pm to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:35 pm to
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Court rebukes Trump on declassified claims


They did not rebuke Trump.

They rebuked Judge Cannon on one part of her order.
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
2069 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:36 pm to
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Appeal the appeal's court. Article doesn't mention which appeals court.


They do towards the bottom. It’s the 11th circuit. Someone said earlier 2 of the 3 justices were Trump appointed for whatever that is worth.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
127458 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:36 pm to
Perhaps I’m not following closely enough. I assumed anything the government argued was classified was going to be part of potential litigation.

I assume this ruling affirms that idea.

Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19397 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:44 pm to
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Really? These documents are really what the DOJ wants in all of this for any potential criminal and security investigation. His attorneys have been pushing to not have this made available without them and the special master getting them first, and the appeals court said no. I’d say it’s definitely something.


What????? The doj has them, Trump had them, and the master has them now. Its what the FBI seized with an illegal warrant, and then stole personal documents to boot.

Trump declassified them, there is a copy of that in this very thread, what the heck is the aforementioned gibbirish.
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
2069 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:46 pm to
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Now the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals is compromised too. Hopefully we can still count on the 5th Circuit to uphold the law.


Lol. At some point, one has to think it’s not a judge problem when almost every judge rules against you.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:48 pm to
But this board assured me it wasn't appealable, and an admin threatened me with a ban if I kept 'trolling' you by pointing out that was wrong.

Weird world we live in.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10125 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:52 pm to
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If the classified documents are for crossfire hurricane, then yes he probably has a great leg to stand on. Neither Trump nor his attorneys have ever even intimated that. It may be, but that is 100% conjecture at this point with zero basis in any evidence at this point.


Declassification also was not pertinent to the 11th and every Richey factor went against him:


quote:

Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was President. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified. And before the special master, Plaintiff resisted providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents. In any event, at least for these purposes, the declassification argument is a red herring because declassifying an official document would not change its content or render it personal. So even if we assumed that Plaintiff did declassify some or all of the documents, that would not explain why he has a personal interest in them.
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 7:53 pm
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
2069 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:54 pm to
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quote:Court rebukes Trump on declassified claims They did not rebuke Trump. They rebuked Judge Cannon on one part of her order.


Agreed completely. That’s a very bad quote.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
114070 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:55 pm to
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as courts give great deference to the executive branch for national security issues


Which is what DOJ was banking on.

Run roughshod and when they get called on it, scream "national security".

frick them.

All of them.
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
2069 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:00 pm to
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What????? The doj has them, Trump had them, and the master has them now. Its what the FBI seized with an illegal warrant, and then stole personal documents to boot. Trump declassified them, there is a copy of that in this very thread, what the heck is the aforementioned gibbirish.


Trump’s own attorneys refuse to state he declassified, so you may want to watch those categorical statements. Everyone assumes these are crossfire hurricane docs, but neither Trump nor his attorneys have ever stated that. Big assumption on everyone’s part.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:01 pm to
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You have no idea what documents were there. How is this nonsense. This is why Cannon was always out on a limb as courts give great deference to the executive branch for national security issues.



I don't have to know what documents where there to know that this is fricking nonsense:

"did not result in 'exceptionally grave damage to the national security,'""
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
127458 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:02 pm to
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So even if we assumed that Plaintiff did declassify some or all of the documents, that would not explain why he has a personal interest in them.


I can think of some reasons declassified documents would be of personal interest to Trump.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
127458 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:05 pm to
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Big assumption on everyone’s part.


Only Trump supporters are making big assumptions.

Question: if it comes out that the classified information at play here includes Danchenko’s identity as a “confidential informer,” how many lifetimes of good works will it take for y’all to make up for this idiocy?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
164362 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:11 pm to
As many are brag trolling in this thread that it was wrong that it was unappealable. Are they bowing to politics or the law?

Will they admit that the DOJ rules in not law but in political arrogance?

When I was looking for Obama's archived records (which I could not find) Yet Trumps exists & has his declassification of crossfire hurricane.

I found this. (DATED 02.15.2022-so this could be why Trump repeated the declassification order)

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/news-releases/biden-admin-continues-to-conceal-declassified-crossfire-hurricane-records

A President orders a massive declassification. AG Barr signed paperwork agreeing to 'be in charge' of backing up Trump's declassifications and adding to the order and declassifying others as needed.

And they just didn't officially stamp them declassified, disobeying who they serve at the pleasure of.

So they are classified in technicality in a rubberstamp marking; because DOJ/DNI/CIA ignored the orders because the documents would have exposed them?

They are declassified. But you see their trick?

This is where we are at?
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
88043 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:19 pm to
Have you got him now bamatool? Rexcatur muh Russian boi believes you got him!
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
56783 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:21 pm to
It’s still there!
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
85021 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:24 pm to
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an admin threatened me with a ban


don’t worry, the Fifth Circuit has opened the door to this being actionable too
Posted by YankeeBama
Milwaukee
Member since Sep 2017
4804 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:27 pm to
These are the judges Cocaine Mitch wanted. Bill Barr knows who is pulling the strings now. Trump got played very badly by his own people. He underestimated the swamp.
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
87199 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:32 pm to
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ou just hate to see a district court judge get demolished like this.


Let’s say you have a point. You don’t

Let’s say it’s true. It’s not

It still pales in comparison to the beating you take every time you pushed Russia!
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
16473 posts
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:37 pm to
NY Times is reporting Ginni Thomas agreed to be interviewed by J6 committee.
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