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re: Arbery made multiple visits, at night, to the house under construction (UPDATED)
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:35 am to Dale51
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:35 am to Dale51
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If he lived in the neighborhood and was a jogger, would he be recognized as such?
There are witness statements (credible? idk) that he was seen frequently jogging in the area near highway 17.
McMichael himself states in the police report that he saw him running on their street the night before.
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Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:36 am to RollTide1987
It's simple if they thought he was stealing they should have called the cops.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:37 am to UAinSOUTHAL
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The video clearly shows him going after the father.
The father is in the truck bed.
All of that goes out the window when committing a felony aggravated assault, which is what the GBI believes happened. You give up your ability to defend yourself when assaulting someone with a weapon.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:39 am to JohnnyKilroy
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There are witness statements (credible? idk) that he was seen frequently jogging in the area near highway 17.
McMichael himself states in the police report that he saw him running on their street the night before.
Fair enough! I didn't know that.
Thanks.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:42 am to JohnnyKilroy
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You give up your ability to defend yourself when assaulting someone with a weapon
Huh?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:45 am to Mr. Hangover
Wasn’t talking directly to you
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:45 am to CFFreak
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I don't doubt the guy was a thief. Still, the two idiots who killed him will be going to prison. Not smart.
For some reason I do not feel sorry for anyone involved in this story and do not understand why it is a national story. These white guys are not the norm and this thieving black guy is not the norm. This is just your regular do stupid things win stupid prizes that goes on daily in this country.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:49 am to Dale51
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Huh?
What are you confused about? If you assault someone with a deadly weapon, you are not legally able to claim self-defense when the person being assaulted defends themselves from said assault.
It's right there in the statute:
quote:
(b) A person is not justified in using force under the circumstances specified in subsection (a) of this Code section if he:
(2) Is attempting to commit, committing, or fleeing after the commission or attempted commission of a felony
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:50 am to LSU Jax
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I do however think the rednecks deserve serious jail time. Nothing in this video reflects a person deserving of being gunned down in the street.
And that's beside the point and has nothing to do with my OP. The whole point is that Arbery wasn't gunned down simply because of the color of his skin. There were a series of unfortunate events that led up to him getting blown away.
If the state of Georgia tries to charge these guys with murder, the state will lose because they won't be able to prove intent.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 11:52 am
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:50 am to Dale51
Not sure where I got 10 miles from. You are right it was 2 1/4 miles. away.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:51 am to UAinSOUTHAL
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Also how has no one talked about how this was over 10 miles away from Arbery's house.
Link?
Last I saw it was approximately 2 miles from his house.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:52 am to JohnnyKilroy
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self-defense unavailable when committing felony aggravated assault.
Your opinions on this are very fine interpretations of the law? I'm not saying you are wrong, but is that the only basis for your opinion?
In other words, do you agree that if it could be proven clear as day that the victim had stolen something that day, would your opinion would shift?
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:55 am to lsu13lsu
You are correct. If not for the media, and probably the attorney for the family of the victim, playing this up as a lynching it would have not received the exposure it has. This seems to me to be a case where the DA should have brought this to a grand jury and I suspect the choice to not prosecute at all is truly questionable. I think from all the comments here that a regular jury will struggle with intent and the white guys are looking at some sort of conviction, but probably not murder. Unfortunately, this seems to have been a series of very poor decisions by all involved.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:57 am to moneyg
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In other words, do you agree that if it could be proven clear as day that the victim had stolen something that day, would your opinion would shift?
First, I think it's been shown that nothing was stolen, as the owner of the house has stated as much. So that point is out the window.
Second, even if something was stolen, the McMichaels themselves neither witnessed this theft, nor had immediate knowledge of the alleged theft at the time they began to chase and confront AA, so they have no legal right to detain him. McMichael himself says in his statements to the police and the 911 call that that there had been a "rash of break ins (which to our knowledge have not been reported) and that AA was simply a suspicious person. That is not reasonable or probable cause to arrest someone. This is first year criminal procedure stuff.
So it actually wouldn't really change anything in this situation.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:58 am to ItNeverRains
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They killed him for being a thief, not for being black.
I actually think that's not even correct.
They tried to detain him because they thought he was a thief. The killed him because while doing that, the guy aggressively went after the gun, a fight ensued, and the guy was used.
Arguments can easily be made on both sides about whether or not the brothers committed a crime. But, there's really no argument that this was a lynching or murder based solely on the victim's race.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 11:58 am to dinosaur
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I think from all the comments here that a regular jury will struggle with intent and the white guys are looking at some sort of conviction, but probably not murder.
Intent doesn't matter when a unlawful killing occurs during the commission of felony assault. It's default murder and malice is not a required element to convict.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:00 pm to SammyTiger
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But two white guys chasing down a black guy, shooting him and the authorities not charging them for a couple of months doesn't feel as far off from a lynching as some would like it to be.
I totally disagree. I think that's an absurd statement honestly.
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:13 pm to moneyg
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I totally disagree. I think that's an absurd statement honestly.
Do I think it was 100% racially motivated? No
Do I think there was a specific intent to kill him when they set out? No.
But if you're black, the nuances of an extrajudicial killing of an black man by armed civilians that the authorities are choosing not to prosecute aren't going to stand out as much as a the end results.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:18 pm to Kentucker
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Stealing 2x4s?
Who cares about 2x4s? No one.
However when ceiling fans, lights, and appliances show up and are in the house for a few days in boxes before the electrician and others can install then things can get real... very fast. How do I know?
When we built our house we had about 10 ceiling fans in boxes, light fixtures in boxes, an airless Graco sprayer, and a few other things stolen one night. All totaled about $2300.
People go in these homes "innocently" just to case them out in the daytime only to return at night to haul everything away. HPD in Houston has an entire task force that only deals with construction theft because this issue is so bad. NO ONE goes to a house under construction more than once by mistake or innocently.
This post was edited on 5/11/20 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 5/11/20 at 12:21 pm to dinosaur
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Unfortunately, this seems to have been a series of very poor decisions by all involved.
Yep, and Darwinism used to be celebrated by TD.com. We now have 2-3 idiots off the streets but for some reason this is some hot divisive topic.
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