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re: Are people going to church still?
Posted on 7/27/25 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/27/25 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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I pass plenty of super small Baptist churches in almost every urban and rural area I drive in
Yea megachurches are not a baptist phenomenon.
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Posted on 7/27/25 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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Marginalization was always a major theme of early Christianity and early Christians for that reason.
Marginalization is part of humanity. We have to believe we are each better than everyone else.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 8:54 am to LSUGrad2024
I attend Mass every Sunday at my 2 grandkids' school church. Initially when my son started taking them regularly but have continued to make it part of my life as they have gotten older. Our priest is a younger....late 30'ish .... & he keeps the sermons relevant & interesting. It is a large....not huge...church & it is packed every Sunday. A mixed congregation, older folks like moi & lots of younger families with multiple kids.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 8:57 am to BeesWax
I could be wrong, but I've always felt that the non-denomination mega church stole a bunch from Pentecostals and left out the weird stuff. Throw in some prosperity gospel and baby, you've got a stew cooking.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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I could be wrong,
You should start every sentence like this
Posted on 7/27/25 at 8:59 am to Sofaking2
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What this means then is that “not knowing” refers to his not being sent to reveal the day and the hour in his human nature, leaving that office to the Father.
No, the word used “oiden”, according to the experts is the perfect tense third person form of “eido”. This is the definition I copied: “To see, to know, to perceive, to be aware”
It seems like you are making unsubstantiated and incorrect claims.
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We need to remember that the word to know in the Semitic senses used in Scripture is very diverse and rich and does not refer only to mental information but to actions and offices.
No offense but you haven’t the slightest idea what you are talking about. Semitic senses? The Gospel of Mark isn’t written in a Semitic language. The Greek word translated to English as “knows” in Mark 13:32 literally refers to mental information and NOT to actions and offices.
This seems to be a theological problem for you. I’ll be you would say “How can Jesus not know something - after all he is God”. Maybe he isn’t God though, but instead the unique and most special son of God. Here are some verses that might help. In these, Jesus clearly states that he is not God the Father, and that God the Father is greater/mightier than him. So it’s clearly possible for the father to know something that Jesus does not.
Mark 10:17-18
“And as he was setting out on his journey, a man ran up and knelt before him and asked him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.”
John 14:28
“You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.”
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:00 am to Gifman
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You should start every sentence like this
It would waste a lot of words/time, especially over the long run.
But your incorrect ad hom projection is noted.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:01 am to SlowFlowPro
That’s my anecdotal experience as well.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:06 am to 5WFSHR
The family and I are about to head out right now.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:07 am to 5WFSHR
Yes. Every Sunday. Fixing to leave in a few minutes for 0945 Mass, which is always full.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:10 am to 5WFSHR
Headed that way now. Late probably will have to go to overflow.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:13 am to texas tortilla
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baptist seem to love mega-churches. their top flight productions/light shows to draw people in seem to me to be more about money than anything. when did a church need to have multiple campuses which the holy spirit always seems to lead them to build in affluent areas? that's a formula for a pastor to get wealthy.
It's so weird to view church growth as negative.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:16 am to 5WFSHR
What does the president have to do with church attendance?
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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Marginalization was always a major theme of early Christianity and early Christians for that reason.
What is it you mean by this? Early Christians were marginalized or they marginalized others?
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:26 am to Mushroom1968
The former. Even teachings in the Gospel focus on this.
But once it became a religion in the early 1st century many sects really took hold of the marginalized status. It's why there is so much theology within the religion focused on martyrdom, and even amplification of things like Roman mistreatment of Christians created in hindsight to promote that view (not that mistreatment didn't happen, but it was much less common than what people today think because of the stories that has become cannon). It was really popular with poor, marginalized people for a reason, and Jesus really emphasized a lot of that non-material living for a reason.
Once the church became more dominant, it started to pretend those teachings meant something else. Now that dominance has developed in various ways over 1500-1600 years. The 19th century was really filled with some crazy developments. Now we see outright blasphemy like prosperity gospel and mega churches built around making money and we don't even think twice about it.
But once it became a religion in the early 1st century many sects really took hold of the marginalized status. It's why there is so much theology within the religion focused on martyrdom, and even amplification of things like Roman mistreatment of Christians created in hindsight to promote that view (not that mistreatment didn't happen, but it was much less common than what people today think because of the stories that has become cannon). It was really popular with poor, marginalized people for a reason, and Jesus really emphasized a lot of that non-material living for a reason.
Once the church became more dominant, it started to pretend those teachings meant something else. Now that dominance has developed in various ways over 1500-1600 years. The 19th century was really filled with some crazy developments. Now we see outright blasphemy like prosperity gospel and mega churches built around making money and we don't even think twice about it.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
Ok, I agree with all that.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:48 am to pwejr88
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You should’ve seen it after 9/11.
Every church in the country was packed and every car had an American flag flying. It’s was beautiful
Oh, I remember. It was also one of the most patriotic times in my lifetime.
Posted on 7/27/25 at 9:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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things like Roman mistreatment of Christians created in hindsight
Wow
Posted on 7/27/25 at 10:02 am to 5WFSHR
Posted on 7/27/25 at 10:18 am to Breesus
It's much less common than the mythology that's been created over time,. It was bad specifically in brief periods under Nero and Decius.
You're going to cling to partial quoting to pretend I said it never happened, even though I was clear in my comments in totality. I expect no less anymore.
You're going to cling to partial quoting to pretend I said it never happened, even though I was clear in my comments in totality. I expect no less anymore.
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