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re: Banning Modern Agriculture and High Crop Yields?
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:22 am to East Coast Band
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:22 am to East Coast Band
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I find that hard to believe. Why would commercial farming invest in costly pesticides, etc. only to have reduced yields?
Cheaper to operate and no concern for food nutrient content.
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:22 am to East Coast Band
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It's almost a lose-lose situation.
Kind of like AC. Having AC has helped humanity, but they say the chemicals hurts the ozone.
I am willing to take my chances and stick with the AC.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:23 am to Zap Rowsdower
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Kind of hard to organically control those over thousands of acres.
Unless you have a few hundred people bent over in the sun all day working hoes…
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:25 am to Taxing Authority
The goal is to reduce grain yields to the point it kills off animal farms that need grain based feed. Then we have to eat the bugs and what crops we do grow
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:25 am to notsince98
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There are 30+years of studies showing organic farming over time produces higher yields than "commercial."
Sorry but I smell BS here and I don't think it is the fertilizer...
Answer one question for me: Why haven't farmers moved to this type of farming then?
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:26 am to Taxing Authority
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If true, farmers will adapt it with quickness. No regulation needed.
They are. Iowa alone has been seeing about a 30% year over year growth in organic farms over the last 5-7 years if memory serves me right.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:26 am to deltaland
Morning Delta, I know you’re in farming.. what do you grow?
For the life of me I cannot ever remember seeing organic farms out produce their conventional contemporaries. I bought basically every cooking veg, citrus and most tropical items and also inspected all sorts of crops produced in California (getting down into the fields/orchards themselves). Organic yields were tiny in comparison.
For the life of me I cannot ever remember seeing organic farms out produce their conventional contemporaries. I bought basically every cooking veg, citrus and most tropical items and also inspected all sorts of crops produced in California (getting down into the fields/orchards themselves). Organic yields were tiny in comparison.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:26 am to The Maj
quote:Apparently farmers like to lose money. They'd perfer chemicals and long hours in the tractor. They're all stupid. Only notsince98 is the smart one.
Sorry but I smell BS here and I don't think it is the fertilizer...
This post was edited on 7/25/22 at 10:27 am
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:27 am to notsince98
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30+years of studies over millions of acres.
So 30+ years over millions of acres worth of small >1 acre plots, gotcha. Also, as far as the soil re-stabilizing itself, soil is just one part of the equation. It’s true you can’t replace good dirt, but there isn’t going to be anywhere that has the circa 200 units of nitrogen needed to grow corn to meet consumption demand just naturally hanging out in there. And don’t say chicken litter or manure.
This post was edited on 7/25/22 at 10:30 am
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:27 am to notsince98
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They are. Iowa alone has been seeing about a 30% year over year growth in organic farms over the last 5-7 years if memory serves me right.
Well then leave it alone, it is clearly moving in the right direction.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:28 am to The Maj
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Sorry but I smell BS here and I don't think it is the fertilizer...
Answer one question for me: Why haven't farmers moved to this type of farming then?
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That is ONE study. Universities have tons more.
As for your question, they are. Organic farming and less chemical based farming has been skyrocketing over the last decade.
There is tons of data in this country and europe showing great yields compared to conventional farming.
This post was edited on 7/25/22 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:29 am to notsince98
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has been seeing about a 30% year over year growth in organic farms over the last 5-7 years if memory serves me right.
Are you contending that this transition is based on better yield OR higher demand coupled with higher prices? They are not the same thing...
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:32 am to Zap Rowsdower
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So 30+ years over millions of acres worth of small >1 acre plots, gotcha. Also, as far as the soil re-stabilizing itself, soil is just one part of the equation. It’s true you can’t replace good dirt, but there isn’t going to be anywhere that has the circa 200 units of nitrogen needed to grow corn to meet consumption demand just naturally hanging out in there.
No. Universities all over the country have been doing large scale and small scale studies. It isn't just controlled environements.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:32 am to notsince98
quote:The Sri Lankan farms seem to be happy with it.
There is tons of data in this country and europe showing great yields compared to conventional farming.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:33 am to notsince98
Well, to start you study, is formed and generated by a group that is all about organic farming and they even admit they dismiss the "transition" period...
Controlled environment and I can see it happening... 1000 plus acres side by side, not hardly...
Organic farming has been skyrocketing because people and farmers figured out they could get more money for their product from people willing to pay for "organic"... They are not moving that direction because yields are higher...
Controlled environment and I can see it happening... 1000 plus acres side by side, not hardly...
Organic farming has been skyrocketing because people and farmers figured out they could get more money for their product from people willing to pay for "organic"... They are not moving that direction because yields are higher...
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:34 am to The Maj
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Are you contending that this transition is based on better yield OR higher demand coupled with higher prices? They are not the same thing...
Transition reasons happen for many reasons. More potential profit is a big one because they charge higher prices for the crops. Some do it for health reasons.
Some studies are showing lower operating costs with organic after several years post change but I dont know much about those.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:34 am to bayoudude
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Unless you have a few hundred people bent over in the sun all day working hoes
Now I see the end game! The party that the progs have taken over used to love this sort of thing a couple of hundred years ago.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:35 am to The Maj
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Well, to start you study, is formed and generated by a group that is all about organic farming and they even admit they dismiss the "transition" period...
Controlled environment and I can see it happening... 1000 plus acres side by side, not hardly...
Organic farming has been skyrocketing because people and farmers figured out they could get more money for their product from people willing to pay for "organic"... They are not moving that direction because yields are higher...
That is one of hundreds. Go visit the sites of any midwest university if you really want to learn more.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:36 am to notsince98
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Transition reasons happen for many reasons
Well, you cannot dismiss the transition period and call that the results and higher yield... You have got to include the transition period in order to compare both equally...
Like I said, controlled environments and actual farming are not the same thing...
Posted on 7/25/22 at 10:37 am to The Maj
Organic produce is usually uglier and not as long lasting. Without modern farming practices people will starve no question about it.
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