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re: Bishop Duca going political again
Posted on 12/7/25 at 9:12 pm to Louisianalabguy
Posted on 12/7/25 at 9:12 pm to Louisianalabguy
"The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops."
I think it was Dante' who said this.
Edit .... it was not Dante it was St. John Chrysostom.
I think it was Dante' who said this.
Edit .... it was not Dante it was St. John Chrysostom.
This post was edited on 12/7/25 at 9:16 pm
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:05 am to udtiger
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Ergo, he is permitting criminal aliens to shirk their obligations under the Ten Commandments because they are "rightfully afraid" of ICE.
At the very least, he is encouraging them to hide from law enforcement.
His statement would carry a lot more weight with me if he had some concern for legal citizens / parishoners with respect for the rule of civil law. It's not a zero sum game, you can offer an olive branch to both sides at once.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:06 am to Louisianalabguy
What about those who fear priests molesting our kids?
Do we still have to go to church?
Do we still have to go to church?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:14 am to OysterPoBoy
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What if we fear being hit by a drunk illegal or murders on the way to church?
I wasn't Catholic at the time, but i don't recall the Pope or Bishop making any proclamations espousing their toxic empathy towards illegals when Obama was POTUS, who has deported about 50 times more illegals than Trump.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:16 am to Louisianalabguy
I woulda stood and called him out then publicly and then walked out. Preach the GOSPEL not frickin politics
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:18 am to Lsupimp
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He is rightfully concerned with parishioners being in fear of going to church
Why are they in fear?
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That doesn’t mean that he is endorsing lawlessness
Funny, he never made any such proclamations telling illegals that they have knowingly broken the laws of the country they are in.
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one based strictly on the teachings of Jesus Christ.
That doesn't include encouraging actions that will subject the flock to rape, murder, abuse as well as ignoring the laws of the new country you are entering.
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I believe in the Rule of Law. But I also listen to Bishop Duca’s words and leave a place in my heart for a higher message. I think that was Bishop Duca’s intention and that is how I and my girlfriend both received it at mass today.
Duca's message does not believe in the Rule of Law, and if it does, he did nothing to emphasize the need for those sacred illegals to follow the laws of the land they are trespassing in.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:27 am to Lsupimp
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He is rightfully concerned with parishioners being in fear of going to church
Being afraid to get caught doing something illegal and, presumably, immoral isn't something that should be viewed compassionately.
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issued a dispensation
I don't think too many people are objecting to this part. It doesn't burden anyone else in any way. It simply removes a moral obligation from the illegal. So, the ultimate act in this situation really isn't important.
What it does do is shed light on Duca and the Church's position on illegal immigration in general. Deciding to invade another country is immoral. Deciding to stay in another country illegally is immoral. Deciding to do all of that so you can absorb the social services meant to help the poor in said country is immoral.
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I live in the material world and have another set of principles. I believe in the Rule of Law.
Were you the one who assisted a couple of people to illegally cross the border? Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:27 am to SippyCup
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I stopped going to mass about 3 years ago. Catholic charities has done more harm to this country than most sane democrats.
It's unfortunate that you let a charity which is unaffiliated with the church stop you from attending.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:30 am to moneyg
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Being afraid to get caught doing something illegal and, presumably, immoral isn't something that should be viewed compassionately.
Exactly. I'm waiting on Duca's special dispensation for Murderers and rapists who are in fear of going to church for being caught by law enforcement.
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It simply removes a moral obligation from the illegal. So, the ultimate act in this situation really isn't important.
What it does do is shed light on Duca and the Church's position on illegal immigration in general. Deciding to invade another country is immoral. Deciding to stay in another country illegally is immoral. Deciding to do all of that so you can absorb the social services meant to help the poor in said country is immoral.
See my example above. Why stop at illegal immigration?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:35 am to dragginass
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It's unfortunate that you let a charity which is unaffiliated with the church stop you from attending.
They are affiliated with the church.
LINK
Also, from the USCCB
LINK
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On its website, the USCCB states that the Catholic Church does not support illegal immigration but advocates for "changing a broken law so that undocumented persons can obtain legal status in our country and enter the United States legally to work and support their families."
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Before the Trump administration suspended a federal refugee resettlement program and froze federal reimbursements, prompting the USCCB to significantly reduce its staff, the USCCB's Migration and Refugee Services described itself as "the largest refugee resettlement agency in the world," and said that in partnership with its affiliates, it resettled approximately 18% of the refugees that arrived in the U.S. each year legally through its refugee programs.
In April, the USCCB said it would not renew its cooperative agreements with the federal government related to children's services and refugee support after its longstanding partnerships with the federal government in those areas became "untenable." Meanwhile, the bishops are seeking reimbursement for more than $24 million in federal funding for services already provided
Maybe the shame should be on the Catholic church for not representing morality, legality, and decency?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:37 am to moneyg
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Deciding to invade another country is immoral. Deciding to stay in another country illegally is immoral. Deciding to do all of that so you can absorb the social services meant to help the poor in said country is immoral.
I totally think there is a disconnect with this and it seems all but 5 Bishops in the USA. The illegals should be considered in a state of mortal sin for illegal entry into the country and exploiting it for their gain. They should not receive the Eucharist because of this, they should have to go to Confession for doing it, and the priest should tell them to self-deport as Penance.
On a separate but I believe related issue, the USA should declare war on Mexican Cartels. Whatever that entails, we should destroy them like ISIS.
PS. This "state of fear" is BS. ICE does not raid schools, hospitals, or churches.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 9:40 am
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:55 am to dragginass
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In my own parish, the fact that the young priest chose not to read that letter is but one example.
Care to share which parish you attend so we can make the switch?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:01 am to BugAC
They are in fear of being detained if they go to church. Is that a debatable point?
I agree. He / The Catholic Church did not tell them to stay in their own countries. I too, would have preferred that. I have always been an opponent of ILLEGAL immigration. It’s a travesty that the border was specifically opened for the exact point that now these people have to be deported. Democrats created the problem and the fact that all these illegal immigants have to be deported is on THEM.
Wrong. He specifically talked about how he favors detaining / deporting those who commit crimes or who are a threat yesterday in his sermon. You can watch on Catholic Life tv for proof. I wouldn’t lie to you and I heard it with my own two ears. This was a narrow statement meant to grant dispensation to worshippers. This is what Bishops do- they rule on issues facing the church. I am on your side of the immigration debate, not Bishop Duca’s. But I also value TRUTH- and it’s not truthful to attribute to him things that are completely outside the spirit of his comments.
And let me give you an example of areal life situations- and I’m hoping you will read my comments with an open mind and In the spirit of friendship. Let’s say Jose and his wife came over in 2021, and presented themselves at the border. They received a temporary stay and have to go to court periodically. They got jobs at a construction site and go to a Catholic Church. They received an extension through October 2026. However, they know that if they are discovered they can also be detained and deported. They essentially have CONFLICTING information. And their immigration attorney is specifically telling them to attend their hearings, keep their noses clean and stay off the radar as policy is fluid. On the one hand they have received extensions and have never received deportation letters. On the other they know they can be detained and deported at any time. So they keep a low profile HOPING it gets sorted out in their favor. And one of those things is avoiding public gathering spots where mass deportations may occur. And the Bishop hears this, is moved by this dilemma and issues a dispensation. Which seems to me as 100% the correct thing to do- because he is talking about their spiritual life- their relationship with Christ- and telling them that is not dependent on entering a church.
In NO way does that excuse criminal behavior or illegal border crossings. But it is how a Bishop might see something as a leader of his flock who is concerned with the larger teachings of Jesus Christi in a way that a Baw doesn’t. And if we are to think critically, we have to be able to hold two conflicting ideas in our minds ( I agree with you that the primacy here is with immigration law) which is that we favor Border security and we also understand our duties as Christians. And sometimes those things conflict and a Bishop will have to thread that needle and balance the spiritual requirements of his parishioners to political and policy events.
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Funny, he never made any such proclamations telling illegals that they have knowingly broken the laws of the country they are in.
I agree. He / The Catholic Church did not tell them to stay in their own countries. I too, would have preferred that. I have always been an opponent of ILLEGAL immigration. It’s a travesty that the border was specifically opened for the exact point that now these people have to be deported. Democrats created the problem and the fact that all these illegal immigants have to be deported is on THEM.
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That doesn't include encouraging actions that will subject the flock to rape, murder, abuse as well as ignoring the laws of the new country you are entering.
Wrong. He specifically talked about how he favors detaining / deporting those who commit crimes or who are a threat yesterday in his sermon. You can watch on Catholic Life tv for proof. I wouldn’t lie to you and I heard it with my own two ears. This was a narrow statement meant to grant dispensation to worshippers. This is what Bishops do- they rule on issues facing the church. I am on your side of the immigration debate, not Bishop Duca’s. But I also value TRUTH- and it’s not truthful to attribute to him things that are completely outside the spirit of his comments.
And let me give you an example of areal life situations- and I’m hoping you will read my comments with an open mind and In the spirit of friendship. Let’s say Jose and his wife came over in 2021, and presented themselves at the border. They received a temporary stay and have to go to court periodically. They got jobs at a construction site and go to a Catholic Church. They received an extension through October 2026. However, they know that if they are discovered they can also be detained and deported. They essentially have CONFLICTING information. And their immigration attorney is specifically telling them to attend their hearings, keep their noses clean and stay off the radar as policy is fluid. On the one hand they have received extensions and have never received deportation letters. On the other they know they can be detained and deported at any time. So they keep a low profile HOPING it gets sorted out in their favor. And one of those things is avoiding public gathering spots where mass deportations may occur. And the Bishop hears this, is moved by this dilemma and issues a dispensation. Which seems to me as 100% the correct thing to do- because he is talking about their spiritual life- their relationship with Christ- and telling them that is not dependent on entering a church.
In NO way does that excuse criminal behavior or illegal border crossings. But it is how a Bishop might see something as a leader of his flock who is concerned with the larger teachings of Jesus Christi in a way that a Baw doesn’t. And if we are to think critically, we have to be able to hold two conflicting ideas in our minds ( I agree with you that the primacy here is with immigration law) which is that we favor Border security and we also understand our duties as Christians. And sometimes those things conflict and a Bishop will have to thread that needle and balance the spiritual requirements of his parishioners to political and policy events.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:07 am to Louisianalabguy
LINK
A reminder… all the federal dollars BR and NOLA diocese were taking to facilitate the illegal immigration….
A reminder… all the federal dollars BR and NOLA diocese were taking to facilitate the illegal immigration….
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:27 am to BugAC
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They are affiliated with the church
They are not. The word "Catholic" may be in their name, and they may at times work "with" the church, but they are unaffiliated.
"Catholic Charities operates as a separate entity from the Catholic Church, providing services to anyone in need regardless of their faith. "
USCCB is not "the" church either. American Bishop's are entitled to their (often wrong) political opinions, but those opinions are not part of the magisterium of the church.
LINK
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:30 am to Out da box
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A reminder… all the federal dollars BR and NOLA diocese were taking to facilitate the illegal immigration….
Again, that link shows money going to USCCB, and "Catholic Charities". That is not money going to the diocese, and those groups are not affiliated with the Church.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:31 am to Upperdecker
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Care to share which parish you attend so we can make the switch?
I will not out my priest or parish, but he was not the only one. I know of multiple other priests in diocese of BR that did not read it. You should have no problem figuring out who......
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:32 am to dragginass
So what IS the relationship between Catholic Charities and the Catholic Church?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:32 am to dragginass
Father Eddie at STM?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 10:34 am to Louisianalabguy
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Read a letter at all Masses saying thise who "fear" I C.E. do not have to go to church.
Just another example of the stunning politiczation of the Catholic Church in America.
Do you support ICE (Or anyone for that matter) going into Church Mass and removing people?
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