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re: BMW tariff price increases will go live effective May 1, 2025
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:17 pm to SlayTime
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:17 pm to SlayTime
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The posters who have never once had an issue with tariffs foreign nations put on our goods are now completely unhinged that Trump has placed a reciprocal tariff on those same countries.
Who in this thread is unhinged by Trump's idea of reciprocal tariffs? I've mostly seen a debate about whether tariffs increase market prices and/or protect domestic producers.
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Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:17 pm to Diego Ricardo
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B48 (Inline 4) and B58 (Inline 6) are pretty damn reliable engines actually. It took BMW the entire internal combustion engine era but they finally made a reliable performance engine family.
The rest of the car is a maintenance nightmare.
Relatively few cars have problems with the actual engine these days. It's everything it's attached to.
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:24 pm to David_DJS
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I've mostly seen a debate about whether tariffs increase market prices and/or protect domestic producers.
And now you've been educated and realize that they're actually deflationary.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:25 pm to David_DJS
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Who in this thread is unhinged by Trump's idea of reciprocal tariffs? I've mostly seen a debate about whether tariffs increase market prices and/or protect domestic producers.
I'm fine with reciprocal tariffs while actually not being a big fan of this 25% on vehicles along with the supply chains for them.
I see this as being a pretty big shock to the system as it will effect every manufacturer since so many parts are made outside the US. This will impact even cars/trucks assembled in the USA.
Escalating tariffs starting around 10% would end up having the same long term effect, bringing business to the US, while not spiking sticker prices to varying degrees.
First NAFTA, and then the USMCA, has allowed a lot of parts operations to locate in Mexico and Canada, so even cars assembled in the US will have a lot of parts from outside the US which will make for very uneven pricing.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:25 pm to BuckyCheese
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The rest if the car is a maintenance nightmare.
can be
my previous one was a 1979 530i (e12). loved that car. 4 speed manual. bought it for 1k in 2009
the engine was a tank
the electrical...not so much. rolling down the windows of sunroof was a gamble. might close, might not
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:34 pm to Flats
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And now you've been educated and realize that they're actually deflationary
That was ... funny.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:37 pm to BuckyCheese
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I'm fine with reciprocal tariffs while actually not being a big fan of this 25% on vehicles along with the supply chains for them.
I see this as being a pretty big shock to the system as it will effect every manufacturer since so many parts are made outside the US. This will impact even cars/trucks assembled in the USA.
Escalating tariffs starting around 10% would end up having the same long term effect, bringing business to the US, while not spiking sticker prices to varying degrees.
First NAFTA, and then the USMCA, has allowed a lot of parts operations to locate in Mexico and Canada, so even cars assembled in the US will have a lot of parts from outside the US which will make for very uneven pricing.
IMO Trump is just trying to shock the system, put focus on some imbalances/unfairness in trade as he sees it. I also think he's trying to slow demand and (perhaps counterintuitively) keep added inflation at bay, so the fed can lower rates as we look to refinance trillions.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:37 pm to Flats
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And now you've been educated and realize that they're actually deflationary.
Why have these foreign nations now being hit with reciprocal taxes allowed these tariffs on US goods since the end of WW2?
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:40 pm to David_DJS
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I also think he's trying to slow demand and (perhaps counterintuitively) keep added inflation at bay, so the fed can lower rates as we look to refinance trillions.
I've considered this. Of course he can't say that is what he is doing, but it may have that effect.
The problem is, if new cars spike in price, so will used which will not help inflation assuming people buy them.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:49 pm to SlayTime
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Why have these foreign nations now being hit with reciprocal taxes allowed these tariffs on US goods since the end of WW2?
Why have we allowed an income tax? Countries have all sorts of different taxes.
It's a tax. Some people have even talked about completely funding our government that way, which I don't think is realistic today but is theoretically possible I guess. Reciprocal tariffs make sense to me to an extent (although both countries erasing them would be better), but them making sense doesn't erase the impact.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:51 pm to Flats
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I thought those didn't exist.
No one said that. The point you intentionally miss is that there are a plethora of other factors that can offset the cost, and that is usually what happens in the real world.
What you will see is increased market share for the US-made models. People won't be stuck paying extra like you always assume.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 7:56 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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No one said that.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:06 pm to BuckyCheese
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I've considered this. Of course he can't say that is what he is doing, but it may have that effect.
The problem is, if new cars spike in price, so will used which will not help inflation assuming people buy them.
Yep. It's not a clear path but I'm not sure what else he can do. Our present circumstances have us pretty handcuffed.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:11 pm to David_DJS
I think the big reason he is pushing for reshoring all this production is increasing the corporate tax base, which is necessary to have a shot at reducing our debt.
It's not just one thing or another. Tariffs are a pretty complex issue overall and it can't be debated by isolating on singular effects.
It's not just one thing or another. Tariffs are a pretty complex issue overall and it can't be debated by isolating on singular effects.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:14 pm to TDTOM
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Those prices were going up anyway. They are using tariffs as an excuse.
Yep. And they are still making money even after eating the 21% and only passing on 4%. That shows you how inflated car prices are right now.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:14 pm to stout
They have plants here in the US....
Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:17 pm to GumboPot
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Those are German made models.
The X series (except the X3) are made in South Carolina.
This is the real shame. The real BMW are still made in Germany. The minivans are made here. If you're into cars, the X2/3/5/7 are not that cool.
In before some x5 owners "acksually downVotE mY X5 iZ SoComFy!!"
Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:22 pm to beaux duke
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you should. they're fun as shite
current one is a 2001 325xi touring wagon, awd, 5 speed manual. every couple months i get a note under the windshield saying "if you ever want to sell this here's my #"
My 2011 sports wagon has been the 3rd BMW I have owned. It has over 140,000 miles and runs like a clock. Though it will be the last new BMW I buy, it has been a great purchase and it is a joy to drive.
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:24 pm to oldskule
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They have plants here in the US....
They have one plant that assembles only SUVs. No cars.
Posted on 3/27/25 at 8:25 pm to BigBinBR
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And they are still making money even after eating the 21% and only passing on 4%.
Want to put a wager on that?
BMW's overall margin last year was 7%.
This post was edited on 3/27/25 at 8:32 pm
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