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re: BREAKING: Officer Derek Chauvin is in custody
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:36 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:36 pm to imjustafatkid
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It seems odd not to arrest the other three. I guess all of them together wouldn't paint the racial picture they're wanting to paint. It can't be a systematic problem. It has to be a racial problem on the part of this one guy.
So is it time for white people to riot?
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Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:37 pm to BayouCowboy
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A reasonable person would know doing this for 6 minutes could likely result in a person's death.
You will get no argument from me on that. All I am saying is to wait until a clever attorney starts playing around with what reasonable means under the circumstances, etc and what Chauvin did or didn’t know/believe to be happening. Remember that juries are made up of people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:37 pm to ShortyRob
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:38 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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This charge makes that irrelevant.
No it doesn’t. Willful disregard for life requires an evaluation of the defendant’s state of mind/whatever you want to call it in that moment. The only thing disregarded in that statute is the intent to kill.
In order for me to do something inherently dangerous and willfully disregard life, I have to know that my behavior is eminently dangerous. Not to the standard of a reasonable person, but whether I specifically in that moment knew it was dangerous and disregarded that danger.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:39 pm to Indefatigable
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Remember that juries are made up of people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
so true 
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:41 pm to Indefatigable
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Of course he should. But, all he has to say is that he didn’t realize his knee was on his neck or restricting his airway
And then they will play the video of the guy crying "I can't breathe" and the crowd saying you're killing him for 6 minutes.
I give a huge benefit of doubt to law enforcement. I'm just looking at the evidence as it stands.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:42 pm to BayouCowboy
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And then they will play the video of the guy crying "I can't breathe" and the crowd saying you're killing him for 6 minutes.
I give a huge benefit of doubt to law enforcement. I'm just looking at the evidence as it stands.
Like I’ve said, I agree with you on this. I’m just trying to explain what his defenses are likely to be and how the third degree charge allows some space for “creative advocacy” to run circles around a jury.
It happens all the time.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:43 pm to Caplewood
quote:You can resist getting choked out. Idiot
You forgot resisting arrest
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:47 pm to the808bass
quote:because a man with a gun was blocking their path? Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?
Why didn’t a citizen stop it?
Do you really want to play this out? Citizen goes to intervene. Cop steps in front of them. Citizen pushes cop to get by them. Cop then arrest citizen for assaulting an officer.
quote:Really? They were pleading with the officers to stop. Any further action they took would have resulted in them getting arrested themselves. What reasonable action could they have taken to stop the officers short of attacking them?
Should we charge the people filming who didn’t stop it?
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:48 pm to ShortyRob
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and it may seem a small thing but his hands being in his pockets I think is going to end up being a big deal
Yeah I forgot about that part. This whole thing pisses me off. I have family in law enforcement and douche bags like this put their lives in danger, destroy any good will and smear everyone's reputation.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:50 pm to tigerinDC09
So when’s the public hanging?
Will that stop this rioting and shite?
Don’t get me wrong. That fricker is guilty as frick along with the other cops, standing ideally by and watching this murder.
Will that stop this rioting and shite?
Don’t get me wrong. That fricker is guilty as frick along with the other cops, standing ideally by and watching this murder.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:50 pm to m2pro
3rd degree’s too easy I mean I get it, probably easier to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury than murder 1 or 2 but I can’t get over the fact that a cop murdered a subdued person who only minimally resisted arrest then complied in broad daylight by kneeling on his neck FOR 7 MINUTES and Floyd pleading he couldn’t breathe many times. Doesn’t compute AT ALL.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:51 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Should we charge the people filming who didn’t stop it?
Really? They were pleading with the officers to stop. Any further action they took would have resulted in them getting arrested themselves. What reasonable action could they have taken to stop the officers short of attacking them?
They actually made a move once and Chauvin immediately went for his pepper spray while Fat Bruce Lee stepped up to them.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:51 pm to BayouCowboy
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douche bags like this put their lives in danger, destroy any good will and smear everyone's reputation
Without a doubt. I also have multiple family members that are career LEO's, and guys like Chauvin destroy the reputation of the vast majority of officers who are not power-hungry psychopaths. Guys like Chauvin are on the hook in my mind whenever good officers are the target of violence in the aftermath of these situations. (Like Dallas and Baton Rouge back in 216) Human scum.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:52 pm to Indefatigable
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No it doesn’t. Willful disregard for life requires an evaluation of the defendant’s state of mind/whatever you want to call it in that moment. The only thing disregarded in that statute is the intent to kill.
In order for me to do something inherently dangerous and willfully disregard life, I have to know that my behavior is eminently dangerous. Not to the standard of a reasonable person, but whether I specifically in that moment knew it was dangerous and disregarded that danger.
As you posted, the statute is:
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Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life,
We may just disagree here but I think a determination on what is "without regard for human life" can be made without any consideration of the defendant's state of mind.
You are using "wilful disregard" in place out "without regard." There is a difference.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:55 pm to StrongSafety
quote:
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds
I think as long as they don't attempt to over charge into something they can't sustain, it goes relatively easy.
Hell. This dude just might plead.
His compadres? More difficult to say.
Alas. It won't matter because his sentence isn't going to satisfy the mob either because it won't be a Murder 1 type sentence.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:56 pm to OMLandshark
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under what charge?
They witnessed their fellow officer choking out a guy simply for forging checks and did nothing.
Sounds perhaps like depraved indifference homicide.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:56 pm to BuckyCheese
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They actually made a move once and Chauvin immediately went for his pepper spray while Fat Bruce Lee stepped up to them.
As bad as the image was, I STILL say the cops in the video that bother me the most are the cops who could see Chauvin was out of control...……..and did nothing.
This post was edited on 5/29/20 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:57 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:^This.
They actually made a move once and Chauvin immediately went for his pepper spray while Fat Bruce Lee stepped up to them.
Not only did any of the other officers not help George, but they activity prevented any of the civilians, who were pleading with the officers to stop, from coming to his aid.
Posted on 5/29/20 at 1:57 pm to ShortyRob
Let's wait until the facts come in.
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